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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by TriBruin, Sep 16, 2019.
Don't see it that way. And Tommy did not come clean about Christie until after she left.
Agree. I think they were about equal, but, Michie was a stronger player then either Christie or Tommy.
I first thought that too. But after thinking more about it, those emotions just make me feel less impressed. I don't have a problem with people who come into Big Brother with the mentality that it's a game and one way to play this game is to use strategy, and lies, and betrayal. People like Dr Wil, Dan, and the female poker player from a few seasons ago come to mind. But then there are people who do not want to win by playing "dirty", and Michie seemed to be one of those people. So the fact that he went against his own beliefs and sold out, in order to win, makes me lose more respect for him. It didn't bother him the way he was treating Tommy in the moment. Don't cry after the fact. If you are going to play that way, own it.
See I disagree with your assessment of Michie. Michie is one of those players who SAYS he doesn't want to play dirty, but does all the time. He has used intimidation tactics, has gone back on alliances he's had with Jack and Christie/Tommy and so forth. He's about as dirty as the rest of them. But he has this holier than thou attitude about it, that HIS game is clean and he can't understand why someone else's wouldn't be. Those are the worst kinds of players. Either be the "evil" player and come clean to it (like Dan or Dr. Wil) or actually play with integrity. You can win that way too, without being an a-hole jerk to everyone. Of course games like BB and Survivor are filled with Michie types. Just watch their reaction when someone plays a game move on them and they get so upset and all "how COULD they?"
I think a lot of Michie's "holier than thou attitude" is simply good game play. Sure, he may have been hurt when Cliff and Nicole stabbed him in the back, but he purposely laid on the guilt extra thick in order to manipulate them. I'm not saying that he isn't a hypocrite at all. I just don't think it's fair to completely dismiss a legitimate strategy as righteous indignation.
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that he's fine with breaking deals and manipulating, but when someone does it to HIM, he's like "How Dare They break their deal!?" I'm not saying he's playing badly. He's played the best game so far. Even in the diary room, when he's talking to "us" he's got that attitude that he can't believe they want to break their deal. He's failing to see that if he was in their shoes, he'd do the same thing.
I'm not saying Michie has played a clean game up until his big lie. I'm saying HE believes he has played a clean game. My point was that if he knows that the lie was wrong, and is ashamed of what his mom is going to think, and is worried about Tommy's feelings, then he should not have done it. If he came into the game with the attitude that lies are part of this game, then I would be fine with it. But he came in playing the "I'm honorable" role, which in my book makes his actions hypocritical.
As for Cliff believing Michie's "promise" that he would evict Holly...Cliff and Nicole just witnessed Michie manufacturing a huge lie about Tommy in order to save Holly. Then Cliff turns around and believes that the liar can now be taken at his word, and doesn't even think that this might be another lie to save Holly?
I don't even think he cares about what his mom thinks or Tommy's feelings. That's DR stuff he says to make himself look good.
But they didn't know the thing about Tommy was a lie.
They weren't certain, but he and Nicole both 'felt' pretty darn sure that it was a lie.
Cliff just wanted to believe that Michie was going to keep him for final 2, which is idiotic!
Nicole should have stuck to her gut feeling...
During the extended eviction interview with Tommy, he said that Cliff and Nicole were already pretty convinced that Michie was lying. That the reason they evicted Tommy was more about honoring their final four deal (to "maintain their integrity") than about any doubts they had about what Tommy said or did not say.
And when the goodbye messages were played, Cliff pretty much reiterated what Tommy explained during his interview with Julie...
So he thinks Michie will take him to the final 2. Is he going to dump Nicole and take Mickie if he wins? Or is everyone just assuming that Cliff won't win? It's so hard to guess which way the votes would go. I can imagine what Tommy and Christy have been telling the jury.
Where can you see the extended exit interview? I looked on cbs.com - and I didn't see Tommy's.
It's their YouTube channel. Tommy's is not posted yet for some reason.