Big Brother 19 - OAD 7/16/2017 (Sunday)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MikeekiM, Jul 17, 2017.

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    During the competition itself? Quite a bit. Paul was being fed lines, and did several takes about the winner.
     
  2. Cainebj

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    I felt like there must be SO much more going on that what they showed us last night - or more so like we were not given all the information.

    I didn't understand Jessica making her plea to Jason and not talking directly with Alex.

    I would also be curious about the vote math - if Alex put up someone from the showmance alliance, does she have the votes to get them out?

    How exactly is Christmas going to compete with that injury? That will be interesting.
     
  3. MikeekiM

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    I think in those instances where she can't compete, she'll just forfeit the prize (i.e., HoH, POV...)
     
  4. TriBruin

    TriBruin Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    For HOH they will just tell her she can't compete.

    POV will be a bigger problem. If she is not on the block, and the producers know the POV will be something she can't compete in, will they not put her chip in the bag, so she can't be picked? What is she is on the block? She can't compete for her own safety. Worse, what is she is being targeted for a backdoor? If she can't even be picked to compete, she would have NO chance to save herself.
     
  5. Steveknj

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    If Christmas is still trending popular you can bet if she's been put up the POV will be a quiz or something like that and she'll be able to compete. If people start hating on Christmas, than it will be something she can't compete.
     
  6. TriBruin

    TriBruin Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Production will adjust the competition to ensure that fan favorites are not disadvantage. Say it isn't so. </sarcasm>
     
  7. Steveknj

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    exactly!
     
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    This.

    Or maybe they put her chip in the bag and if it is pulled she can name someone to play for her. It could backfire if the person she picks turns on her or throws the comp or whatever.

    These seem to be the only real two options though for someone with a broken foot with physical comps.
     
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  9. Steveknj

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    I will say that they DID mention after they allowed her back in the house that she would get no special treatment when it came to comps. So I don't think that she will be allowed to have a proxy player. Either she plays or she doesn't. With that said, i STILL think that if she's on the block they will have a POV that will allow for her to play.
     
  10. Squeak

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    I think you are giving production too much credit. The comps are planned and designed out in advance based upon the numbers of participants, and mixing in endurance vs trivia (live HOH), etc. It would not be easy for them to move the around willy-nilly.

    I am taking what Xmas recited from production at face value: they have a schedule of comps, they are not changing anything based upon her. If she is medically cleared to play in that one, she can, if she is not, she won't.
     
  11. Steveknj

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    I think you may be a bit naive about the types of things that the producers can and cannot do during the game. While I have no proof that anything has been manipulated (and you have no proof that it hasn't), it's not really difficult to change things if if they needed to. Some games can be played pretty easily with less people. Heck, we just saw that with the last HoH competition, where Christmas didn't play. Setting up a quick quiz game over the course of a week (with sets they have from other competitions) is pretty easy. Some things, they can assume will happen in advance and plan ahead for it (like Paul winning the temptation and giving him the HUGE advantage). There ARE some things that have to happen certain weeks, such as if they have a guest appearance lined up. But other things they can move around as needed, and I would imagine they have weeks where they have some things that are flexible, depending on circumstance. Remember, they want to keep viewers engrossed, and if the game turns in a way that's going to stop people from watching, they can change things up.
     
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    Never mind...I give up. You (and others) want to believe that production is constantly changing and scheming to make the story fit exactly what they want (including changing temptations and "giving" to certain people).

    I am relying on them being honest in their communications and understanding the amount of work that goes into their production. They said they are not changing their order or competitions to help Christmas. I believe them.
     
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  13. Steveknj

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    What I'm saying is that they want to keep the story as compelling as possible, not trying to fit it into the story they want. They need to be flexible enough to make that happen. Until this season, I tended to believe that this was not the case, although there was always compelling reasons to believe that it WAS the case. This season feels VERY blatant to me. There are obviously things they cannot control and they won't fix anything during a competition to help someone (at least I've seen no evidence of that). But I do think they can, for the sake of entertainment, make things easier for some folks. But that doesn't mean it's going to turn out the way they had hoped.
     
  14. dthmj

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    Since there is a cash prize, are they not bound by game show rules?
     
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    You would think so, but there really is no definitive answer.

    Here is a decent Reddit thread on it from awhile back:

     
  16. Steveknj

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    Reddit of course, is hardly a definitive source for this type of thing. I've seen it posed both ways and have argued that it should abide by Game Show rules, but I've also heard that it's considered an entertainment show, not a game show (I've seen the same with Survivor.) These types of shows, played out over time (unlike a normal game show which things happen almost immediately and there's a definitive right or wrong answer), are pretty easy to subtly manipulate. As mentioned in the Reddit, things like leading questions, or introducing seemingly benign twists can affect the game.
     
  17. NJChris

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    I don't worry too much about if they are changing things. This show doesn't affect my world (unless the winner was to give me their $$) so I just watch to be entertained by the attention seekers on the show. I do, however, like to complain about the houseguests. :)
     
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    Is it a strict game show or is their some loop hole since they are paid a salary as well? I don't for a second believe production doesn't try to influence the game either directly or indirectly. From diary room chats to changing the rules or comps. To throwing a diamond power of veto or den of temptation into the mix when needed. To Coup d'Etat, den of temptation, battle back (twice last year same guy won it). Perhaps they don't push the person they want to win to the end but they certainly open a few doors for them. They aren't hands off and just let who wins win.

    If they published a list of games/schedules and their rules right after the house guest went into the house, one could argue the rules of the game are established and well known (maybe not to the guest but everyone else) up front. They don't do that though.

    It might not be as scripted as Pro Wrestling but it certainly isn't let the best competitor win (like say maybe MMA).
     
  19. series5orpremier

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    I think the salary/stipend is the key. They're paid like actors. The prize monies are bonuses. I can easily see them classifying it not as a game show, but as an improv/spontaneously scripted drama. It's definitely not a game/sport because the same rules don't apply to everyone. They have the same types of competitions that require different strengths (physical strength, memory, speed, etc.) that they trot out year after year. There's too much more than anecdotal evidence that belies statistical randomness, that when particular contestants have their backs to the wall a competition that plays to their strengths magically appears. I believe they pre-plan competitions but they can decide on a moments notice which ones to use if a situation calls for it.
     
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  20. Steveknj

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    Ha! I always figured MMA was scripted too :) It certainly LOOKS fake to me :)
     

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