Better Call Saul S4E9 10/1/2018 "Wiedersehen" Spoilers for Breaking Bad ok

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  1. Oct 4, 2018 #121 of 174
    Hank

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    I personally think most of you are way too desensitized to all the killing that happened in BB and projecting that onto a much younger Gus Fring. Not that he's not willing to kill someone who gets in his way (we've already seen him do that at least once in BCS), but I just don't see him murdering in cold blood the entire crew just because they helped him build an underground bunker they have no idea what it's eventual purpose will be. That's just not his style.

    Werner, OTOH is a different story since he is now a liability and broke the rules and trust. They have to catch him and bring him back into the fold. Maybe he really did just snap from the isolation and needed to escape without thinking through the consequences. I also don't think he's fearing for his life (as he doesn't know the true nature of Gus, yet)... but instead just needed to find a way out, maybe at the expense of getting paid.

    The Salamancas on the other hand, will kill anyone that even just looked at them the wrong way, like the truck driver that stopped to help them in an early season of BCS (or was that in BB?)
     
  2. Oct 4, 2018 #122 of 174
    Tony_T

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    I agree.
    I don't think Gus has/had any intention of killing the German crew. I don't even think he would have killed Werner for blabbing to strangers in the bar. However, I do think that Mike's 'discussion' with Werner after the bar incident put enough fear into him that he believed that he would soon be killed, so he ran (which will get him killed)
     
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  3. Oct 4, 2018 #123 of 174
    GoPackGo

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    Further, I think that Werner could have seen the broken circuit as suspicious, causing his panic attack.
     
  4. Oct 4, 2018 #124 of 174
    jsmeeker

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    Wasn't he a total wreck before he saw that?
     
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  5. Oct 4, 2018 #125 of 174
    Tony_T

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    He was fine before the R&R
     
  6. Oct 4, 2018 #126 of 174
    jsmeeker

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    When did he freak out down in the construction site? Before or after he saw the problem? I thought it was before.
     
  7. Oct 4, 2018 #127 of 174
    mrdbdigital

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    I just re-watched that part. Werner didn't appear to have his "nervous attack" until he got downstairs right up next to the explosives.
     
  8. Oct 4, 2018 #128 of 174
    jsmeeker

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    But wasn't that still before he found the fault? That's why I thought he be offing himself. He was getting nervous about actually doing it
     
  9. Oct 4, 2018 #129 of 174
    mrdbdigital

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    Yes, it was when he was still about 6 feet away from the rock, at the point where the wires separated to go to the three individual charges. His hands started shaking, he dropped his flashlight, took off his hard hard, etc. Then he talked to himself ("Pull yourself together, you idiot") and got on with it.

    He did seem, at least to me, to be relieved a little when he found the open splice, and very relieved afterwards (sat down on the floor to recover before going back upstairs).
     
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  10. Oct 4, 2018 #130 of 174
    gweempose

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    I don't think Werner's reaction had anything to do with the explosives. I'm guessing he melted down at the blast site because he was super nervous about his upcoming escape attempt. He suddenly found himself all alone down there, and his emotions just came bubbling to the surface.
     
  11. Oct 5, 2018 #131 of 174
    kdelande

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    But Werner likely didn't contemplate escape until after the blast site meltdown because he first attempted to go home to see his wife by asking Mike if he could go for a long weekend. I imagine he only decided to escape after Mike said no to that. It was once Mike said no that we saw the shots of Werner eyeing the cameras and such to show us that he was surveying the warehouse for how to escape.
     
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  12. Oct 5, 2018 #132 of 174
    DancnDude

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    I was guessing he was asking to go home for a long weekend because he wanted to escape and certainly that's the easiest way to get out is to have them let you out and then disappear.
     
  13. Oct 5, 2018 #133 of 174
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    I thought he was asking because he just really wanted that time, but the response left him realizing how much of a prisoner he actually is.
     
  14. Oct 5, 2018 #134 of 174
    MacThor

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    This. Mike came up with dozens of things Gus hadn't thought of. And don't forget how Mike got the job in the first place - by pointing out all the security flaws at Madrigal.
     
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  15. Oct 6, 2018 #135 of 174
    Hank

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    I think you're right. Werner was "wringing his hands" nervously topside before they found the open circuit fault. And Mike noticed this. He volunteered (I don't know why) but then going below made him even more nervous (again, I don't know why, because the system was not energized at that point).
     
  16. Oct 6, 2018 #136 of 174
    gweempose

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    You are correct. I was off on the timeline.
     
  17. Oct 6, 2018 #137 of 174
    hefe

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    I'd be nervous handling explosives, energized or not.
     
  18. Oct 6, 2018 #138 of 174
    mrdbdigital

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    There is no sign of Werner being nervous before the fault is discovered. All he does the entire scene before the discovery is stand there calmly and then discuss it with Mike. He does adjust his glasses one time, but I hardly call that being nervous.
     
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  19. Oct 7, 2018 #139 of 174
    MacThor

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    Correct, the hand-wringing that Mike noticed was after Werner returned topside.
     
  20. Oct 7, 2018 #140 of 174
    Hank

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    That doesn’t mean he wasn’t nervous before going into the lab... he just didn’t show it. ;)
     
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