Better Call Saul S4E10: "Winner"

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  1. dwatt

    dwatt Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    And then through the floor into the basement.
  2. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

    May 31, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Obnoxiously small nitpik because TCF... it was from the second floor to the first. :D:):rolleyes:
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  3. robojerk

    robojerk Well-Known Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Laguna Hills CA
    I think a simple "plan" for the show, at least from Mike and Gus' point of view is some skirmish between a faction on the Salamanca's. This requires the super lab to be put on the back burner, and the authorities (Henry "Hank" R. Schrader?) picks up some of team Mike/Gus and that's when it become Saul Goodman time. I say this because the finale of this show needs some resolution and not just end things up in the air unless you watch BB.
  4. dwatt

    dwatt Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    I couldn't remember if the tub blew through the first floor or not.
  5. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Mike said the accident would be able to be investigated by the German authorities. So if Mike wasn't just blowing smoke, what accident are they going to manufacture that would pass an investigation and not make the rest of the crew (or the wife) suspect foul play?
  6. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    He was out at a bar, got mugged & shot. End of story.
  7. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2017
    In BB, did we see Mike kill anyone? I don't recall. Mike killing Werner was a turning point for him, and he is no longer a likable character, similar to when Walt let Jane die
  8. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    Mike also killed the two cops who killed his son.
  9. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

    Feb 27, 2005
    From the Breaking Bad wiki (victims 1-3 are BCS):

    Murders committed by Mike
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  10. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    That is a tough one, as Werner was supposed to be with them at all times. They worked together, lived together, etc.

    In "reality", the crew would start getting spooked about this. Their leader goes missing. Mike doesn't talk much. Explanation of Werner's whereabouts doesn't feel right.

    And perhaps they connect the dots.

    And then need to be eliminated.
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  11. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    An accident involving a gun, presumably. Never any foul play around those... :)

    Perhaps an accidental decapitation (if the bullet was to the head).
  12. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2017
    Werner was right about his wife calling the authorities when he goes missing, so either she is also eliminated, or Mike does make it look like an accident (how, I have no idea) that the crew believes
  13. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

    Nov 21, 2002
    The Craps Table
    Yeah not sure how a gun shot to the back of the head could be an accident. Assuming it was to the back of the head
  14. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

    Nov 21, 2002
    The Craps Table
    Given the circumstances, not knowing where they were, not being able to leave the site, the crew certainly knew the type of people they were dealing with. I would think the disappearance of Werner is all that is needed to keep these guys quiet. They'll get their money (presumably a lot) and go on with their lives. Whether that's good enough for Gus remains to be seen.
  15. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I think they'll get a visit from:


    :-D ;)
  16. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Pretty sure it was...even in the dark, Werner's silhouette was clearly showing him facing away from Mike.
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  17. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    He was definitely walking away, shot from behind. I think a head shot is implied, typical of an execution killing. Especially the way he fell, it seemed like that instant type of hit. I don't think they'd portray a body shot the same way.
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  18. spartanstew

    spartanstew Thanks 4 the Update

    Feb 23, 2002
    Wylie, Texas
    Right, but it could have been a neck shot or a torso shot (right through the heart), etc. Odds are it was back of the head, but as VegasVic said, that's an assumption.
  19. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Northbrook, IL
    Now that we have come to the end of the fourth season, I have been reflecting back on the show as a whole. I have to admit, when I first heard they were going to do a series based on the Saul character, I never would have thought it would be anything like this. It was so brilliant to go back and show how the Saul character came to be, and it turns out his backstory is not only incredibly complex, but quite moving as well. What's kind of crazy is that we now know much more about Jimmy/Saul's history than Walter White's.
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  20. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I see your point but I do not agree with your analogy about Jane. Mike knows the business he is in. He is working with people who understand the business and the implied contract therein. Werner breached that contract and the consequences are understood by all parties. Mike simply gave him the courtesy of being the one who does it (killed by a friend, not a stranger) as well as took ownership of his mistake by punishing himself with the guilt of having killed his friend (just like he killed the cops who killed his son).

    So it is perfectly within character and does not change him in any way, IMO. I don't see this as a fulcrum event for his personality. I do see it as a fulcrum in now being fully in bed with Gus whereas he was a hired contractor on a per job basis up to this point.
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