Better Call Saul | "Bagman" | S05E08 | 4/6/20 *spoilers*

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  1. photoshopgrl

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    If we were in the final episodes I might agree with this but since I don't believe there's any way Kim exits left this early, I'm going to say no. ;)
     
  2. Tony_T

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    ...but having a character “exit” early is something Gilligan would do.
     
  3. zyzzx

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    Maybe, but Gilligan is barely involved with the show at all now.
     
  4. kaszeta

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    She'll just go on a trip to Belize.
     
  5. photoshopgrl

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    shhhhhhh :hand:
     
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  6. MacThor

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    Gus also referred to Hector Salamanca as "Don Hector" and Bolsa was referred to as a "Don" at some point (I believe that was on BB).

    I agree that Bolsa is unlikely to be involved in this. What's his motive for hitting the Salamancas?

    Gus's schemes are very complex. Remember when he first met Mike (after preventing Mike's assassination attempt) on Hector Salamanca. He hates Hector ("It's Personal") but Hector's death does not serve his purposes ("at this time.") He has a very specific ideal outcome for Lalo, but I'm not seeing it yet. Perhaps it's having a rival cartel take him out, but it's probably not that simple.
     
  7. MacThor

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    He's not writing episodes, but he still writes the outline for the seasons, and directs one episode each season. "Bagman" was his episode for Season 5.
    He and Gould are still running the show.
     
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  8. Hank

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    The only thing is, that only Saul (and Kim) knew Saul was going on a bag run. He likely didn't tell Mike or Gus. Mike might have been following Saul around, but how did they even know that Saul was going to be the bagman and meet the twins? Was Mike just randomly following Saul? The tipster in the money room only saw the twins take the cash, he didn't know the meet up point or the bagman (really, only Lalo knew that besides Saul and Kim). Unless it's just by pure coincidence that Saul was the bagman and Mike/Gus had no idea and Mike as just following the money. I'm sure it will be answered.
     
  9. MacThor

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    Yes, that's why I think Gus tipped off the "bandits" - they just underestimated the number and did not realize Saul would be the bagman. (Gus doesn't care about Saul, anyway, yet) It's a lot more likely that Mike was set up with his sniper rifle at that location because that's where they put them, than he got there just by randomly following Saul around.
    Gus (and Mike) are willing to tee up some sacrificial bad guys, since they're "in the game."
     
  10. dwatt

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    Mike knew exactly where Saul was since he had the tracker in the gas cap. Maybe once he saw him heading that far out of town towards the border he followed him. Depending how long Saul was stopped waiting for the twins Mike could have found a good sniper position and waited.
     
  11. Hank

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    Right, I forgot about the gas cap. But still, there are a lot of "ifs" here.. in that how long was Mike following Saul; why was Mike tracking Saul; Gus set up the exact point of the ambush (over a 30+ mile span- really?); Mike was already in place to snipe, etc, etc etc. And if Mike was expecting an ambush, he himself said he would have brought more men. The best laid plans can fail -- this one had so many unknowns, it's almost unbelievable it was a plan at all. I can believe Mike was tracking Saul "for good measures" and then got into the mess they did. Clearly he didn't prepare to lose all transport or bring enough food/water to hike it out of there. And if say Gus tipped off a rival cartel, don't you think they'd pick their own ambush spot, why would they take Gus's advice? Trust no one.
     
  12. dwatt

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    I agree too many ifs.
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    We need to work in some ands and buts.
     
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  14. dwatt

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    Jimmy's butt was in the episode if I recall.
     
  15. Mabes

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    Agreed. Another question is that if Gus wasn't involved, why are he and Mike and Saul keeping what happened a secret?
     
  16. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Gus was involved. Mike is working for Gus and was making sure that the $7 million in bail money made it to the courthouse so Lalo could get bailed out and then skip bail and go back to Mexico. If Lalo is in the US (whether in or out of jail), he's going to be making trouble for Gus, so Gus devised a way where he'd basically have to flee the US and wouldn't be able to return.

    Saul doesn't want Lalo to know about the attack and attempted robbery because A) that means Saul had help from someone to get away from the attackers, and it would be pretty easy for Lalo to figure out where that help came from, and 2) the attack had to come from a leak within the Salamanca organization, and they don't want Lalo to find out about the leak or he could create more problems that would make things more difficult for Gus.
     
  17. ellinj

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    Just binging this now and haven’t read through the thread. Maybe I missed something but why did i am assuming is the cartel order a hit on the Lalo’s bail money and why did Fring have Mike protect Saul? I thought Fring and the Cartel were at odds.
     
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  18. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Fring and the Salamancas are at odds. But both are part of the same Cartel. So Fring isn't at odds with the Cartel. At the close of this episode, we don't know who ordered the ambush so I'd suggest to just keep bingeing.
     

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