Better Call Saul | "Bagman" | S05E08 | 4/6/20 *spoilers*

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  1. MacThor

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    Mike is making sure Saul bails Lalo out. He's not taking the money.
     
  2. Hank

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    I don't remember this part. Why does Mike (Gus) want him out on bail? They set Lalo up to get pinched and out of the picture. Why release him? You think he'll just go back to Mexico to escape conviction and be out of the picture?
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    I thought it was Lalo and his superiors who arranged for the bail, using their new "friend" Saul to be the, ahem, bagman.
     
  4. milo99

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    Falls...
    you all don't remember an episode or 2 ago (forget which one) where Mike went to Saul's apartment to give him the info he needed to get Lalo out on bail?

    They want him out because even from prison he was running things and putting in orders, like to firebomb the Pollos Hermanos. So he was i suppose too safe in prison and they want to get him out to take care of him. it was a change of plans.

    THe question is how are they planning to do that.
     
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  5. Tony_T

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    So..... who were the ambushers connected with?
     
  6. milo99

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    Falls...
    another big question for which we have no answer.
     
  7. milo99

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    i thought about that, but Lalo seems too dedicated to ruining Gus for him to do that. Especially with the evidence they provided to get him out of jail, the witness being tampered with means he'll likely not get convicted.
     
  8. mooseAndSquirrel

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    I made the mistake of watching Ozark at the same time, so my Navarro-Salamanca-Lagunas-Don Eladio cartels are all confused.
     
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  9. dwatt

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    Aren't there three families part of this cartel? If it wasn't Gus and it wasn't the salamanca's they could be the third family. Or a different rival cartel who has an inside man at the money house for the salamanca's.
     
  10. MacThor

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    I wonder if any of it is Mike going off the reservation a bit, because he's trying to help competing interests (Gus, Ignacio, and Saul).

    It's very convoluted:
    Mike put things in motion to get Lalo incarcerated.
    Then, he gave Saul all the evidence he needed to get Lalo out. (Which was basically the witness tampering that he committed) He explicitly told Saul that he "represented someone who needs Lalo out on bail."
    Gus knows that Lalo is trying to make him a "financial liability" to the cartel. It's the money Gus brings in that makes him so valuable to Eladio and Bolsa.
    I'm not sure what Gus's (and Mike's) endgame is for Lalo, but I expect it will be revealed. Putting him in and out of jail doesn't seem to accomplish much.

    Perhaps Gus tipped off a rival cartel about the $7M crossing the border. The cartel is going to feel $7MM going to a rival, and now Lalo becomes a liability. It's a straight turning-the-tables financially. Then somehow Mike found out Saul was the bagman (?) and didn't want him killed? Maybe the dirt-road bandits were expecting the Porsche with the cousins.
    If those were Gus's men, there's no way for Mike to explain his way out of killing 6 of them.
    Or Gus tipped off the rivals, thinking Mike would take them out (but they underestimated the size of the crew). Now the Salamancas will be blamed for taking them out, and they have another war to fight instead of their "civil war" against Gus.
     
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  11. MacThor

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    The three families are Eladio, Salamanca, and Bolsa. (Though I always thought Juan Bolsa was more of a consigliere). Gus works for them - he's high up, but he's not one of the three. He "reports to Juan Bolsa" (from his confrontation with Hector at Los Pollos Hermanos).
     
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  12. Tony_T

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    IIRC, Bolsa belongs to the Salamanca Family.
     
  13. Hank

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    Except that Lalo can now escape to Mexico to avoid going to court/prison. That leaves Nacho to run things for the Salamancas, at least temporarily. And gets Lalo off of threatening Nacho's father.
     
  14. photoshopgrl

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    This was my thought behind my post earlier. I think he may run or be told to return and they send another or allow Nacho to run things since he showed them he's the man. :D
     
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    Lalo doesn't strike me as a runner.

    Gus can't have him running back to the cartel in Mexico - he's too obsessed with Gus's secret underground project

    I think it's more likely Gus is either trying to get him into a war with a different cartel, or make Lalo a liability to the Juarez cartel.

    The more I think about it, the more the idea that Gus tipped off a rival makes sense. He could have even told them where best to ambush the bagman - which would make Mike's appearance at that location more plausible, too.
     
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  16. Tony_T

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    Maybe Saul intentionality blows the case in order to have Lalo skip bail and run to Mexico to protect Kim (and convincing Kim to also run). This would fit with Saul thinking Lalo was trying to kill him in Breaking Bad (when Walt and Jessie took Saul to the desert to get him to convince Badger not to take a plea deal)
     
  17. MacThor

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    No.
     
  18. Tony_T

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    Sorry, meant that the Salamanca’s belong to the Family that Bolsa belongs to. (Juan Bolsa was a high-level member of the Juárez drug cartel which the Salamanca family belongs to).
    My point being that Bolsa’s Family probably didn’t plan the ambush.
     
  19. dwatt

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    If I recall correctly. Eladio is the big boss, that is why he is referred to as "Don" Eladio. The Salamanca family works for Eladio. Juan Bolsa works for Eladio. Gus works for Bolsa. So I retract my previous three family comment.
     
  20. dwatt

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    I think Gus has a mole in the Salamaca money compound and he placed the call to someone in Gus's organization. Gus arranged for or passed along info to a third party to have the money mule hit. This does two things, it makes the Salamanca's look weak or vulnerable and puts them on a war footing with another cartel or gang. This lessens their focus on Gus's operations. With that plan in motion Mike was dispatched to keep Saul safe and still get the bail money to the court for Lalo.
     

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