Best Buy to offer TVs with TiVo interface starting 7/31

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by innocentfreak, Jul 15, 2011.

  1. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    I agree. Look at what a huge failure Microsoft has been in the smart phone market. I think they are just finally getting a bit of traction but they are still WAY behind the competition.

    At least Microsoft didn't just call it "Windows". They gave each product a specific name so that a person wouldn't think they were getting the same Windows that they had at home on their PC. I have yet to see any evidence that Tivo has done this. If they are just going to call it a TV with Tivo they are going to cause a lot of confusion.
     
  2. lrhorer

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    If at any point during normal operation the word "TiVo" is clearly displayed on the screen, it constitutes advertising. It will put the word "TiVo" into the user's mind, giving them an emotional response to the term. Such messages are very powerful. They don't even have to be displayed in a way the user can see for this to work. Messages can be implanted subliminally by flashing them on the screen too quickly for the conscious mind to intercept. Doing so is illegal, however. To work around this, many advertisers deliberately make commercials essentially unwatchable. They want the consumer to not pay any attention to the commercial, so that the product name is embedded in the subconscious, where the familiarity with the name acts at an emotional level, rather than a rational one.

    BTW, all recognition is an emotional response, contrary to what one might think. The ability to recognize and manipulate symbols such as mathematical symbols requires, oddly enough, an emotional response. If a person's brain is damaged in certain specific ways that preclude emotional responses, it can prevent the person from being able to recognize friends, family, and close acquaintances. It can also prevent them from doing math.

    Confusing people is what most advertising is supposed to do. The less people think and the more they buy on impulse, the better the people who advertise like it. No one would ever buy a Rolex, for example, if doing so were based upon a rational decision.
     
  3. parzec

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    Maybe...just maybe...tivo factored this "free streaming" via insignia sets into the latest tivo service price restructuring (ie. Price Increase). I could see best buy pushing bundled package deals of insignia tivo sets and tivo premiers...then tivo gets the revenue stream from the premier without worrying about charging on the tv side.
     
  4. aadam101

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    It's not helpful unless a person knows what a Tivo is. If Kleenex decided to slap their name on a bottle of Windex would that be considered advertising? I guess so. How effective would it be?
     
  5. shwru980r

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    I think it would be a good idea to have extra guide data in case the TV can't connect periodically to retrieve new guide data.

    I think there would be many support calls and returned TVs, if only a few hours of guide data are downloaded at one time and the TV has to connect for new data every few hours.
     
  6. shwru980r

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    I think this will go beyond confusion and the customer will feel deceived when they buy a Tivo TV and it doesn't record shows. I think there might be a high return rate on these TVs.
     
  7. sirfergy

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    Slight correction, it's Windows Phone 7.
     
  8. unitron

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    Now that's really stupid. Windows 7 phone sounds like a phone that runs a version of Windows 7.

    Windows Phone 7? Where there 6 previous versions of Windows phones already?
     
  9. SullyND

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    Where? Here.

    Windows Mobile
     
  10. unitron

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    And of course that should have been "Were there..."

    That's what I get for not using "preview".:eek:
     
  11. lrhorer

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    I think you might have a point, there.
     
  12. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    I had a Windows 5 and several version of Windows 6.x. Lots of people never knew these phones existed. Microsoft just couldn't get their act together.

    This phone always has been and always will be my favorite Windows phone despite the crappy software.

    [​IMG]

    I think they finally have a good product with Windows Phone 7 (which is a confusing name) but they have done some heavy marketing so people can understand what the phone is. I doubt this will happen with Tivo.
     
  13. davezatz

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  14. innocentfreak

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    I don't see people getting confused by TiVo design on the packaging as some in this thread thought might happen.
     
  15. sbiller

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    Thinking out loud I see two options for my new bedroom TV going forward. I don't really need a DVR in my bedroom especially if I can stream from my living room TiVo.

    Option 1 is to buy this Insignia TV and connect it to an HD STB from my Cable Provider. That would give me the option of receiving all of my Cable Provider's VOD + OTT from TiVo + Chumby Apps without changing inputs on the TV.

    Pros:
    • Chumby Apps;
    • Access to Cable Company's VOD services
    Cons:
    • Lack of integrated search across linear and OTT programming;
    • No Amazon Instant Video Support?;
    • No Hulu Plus?
    • ; ...
    Option 2 is to buy a different TV and connect a Preview box + CableCard + external Tuning Adapter. If the Insignia TiVo streamed from the Premiere or Premiere Elite I would be very tempted to go the first route.

    Pros:
    • Integrated TiVo experience across Linear and OTT programming;
    • Streaming from the TiVo Premiere;
    • Possibly better software upgrade support?;
    • Support for TiVo Slide Remote
    Cons:
    • Additional external box (Tuning Adapter);
    • No Chumby Apps?;
    • Higher initial cost outlay (depends on a number of factors);
    • Monthly subscription fee (depends on a number of factors);

    Looking through this list of Pros & Cons I think I will be moving towards the latter option but Option 1 isn't a horrible option for someone who wants the cable companies programming and doesn't want another external box (Roku, ATV, etc. )
     
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    http://www.gizmolovers.com/2011/07/28/tivo-and-best-buy-get-chumby-over-insignia/
     
  17. wmcbrine

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    Oh no! The TiVo man has lost his antennae and legs!

    Perhaps it's a metaphor.
     
  18. aadam101

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    Why would they take the cute Tivo guy away? To me, it made Tivo more appealing.
     
  19. unitron

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    They didn't take away all of him, just the parts that allowed him to function?

    Metaphor? Omen?
     

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