Best Buy to offer TVs with TiVo interface starting 7/31

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  1. Jul 20, 2011 #81 of 254
    wmcbrine

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    My guess is that it will -- I think it's fairly worthless if it doesn't. But yeah, we don't know yet.
     
  2. Jul 20, 2011 #82 of 254
    aadam101

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    You are making that guess because it's a logical one. Nobody can accuse Tivo of being logical.

    Plus I would be pretty upset if I bought a TV and then found out it was merely am accessory to a TiVo. I might go out and buy a new TiVo anyway and then unless I have another HDTV in the house I still wasted money.
     
  3. Jul 20, 2011 #83 of 254
    lrhorer

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    Bleaych, if you ask me. One of the top 3 best things about the TiVo is the fact one almost never needs to use the interface - any interface - at all. Building a device that has the UI but no DVR functions is like throwing out the baby and keeping the bath water.
     
  4. Jul 20, 2011 #84 of 254
    lrhorer

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    I can hardly imagine there wouldn't be.
     
  5. Jul 20, 2011 #85 of 254
    shwru980r

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    If the TV can stream from a Premiere, then I think that will require the TV be registered on an active Tivo account and restricted to the Premieres on that account. I don't think Tivo will provide this service for free. I think most people buying an Insignia TV are looking for the lowest price point and are less likely to want an extra monthly fee.

    Tivo is perceived as a high end consumer electronics product while Insignia is perceived as a budget product. I question how many Tivo users would stoop to owning an Insignia TV, even if it does stream from a Premiere. Maybe they would pick up an insignia TV as a second TV for the bedroom.

    If the TV is completely divorced from any DVR functionality, then the Tivo interface is just a gimmick and will confuse and frustrate customers who associate Tivo with a DVR.

    If the TV can stream from a Premiere, then there likely will be an extra monthly fee for the service. Insignia is a budget priced product with customers who are less likely to want an additional monthly fee. High end consumers may not even consider an Insignia TV because of the perceived budget status.
     
  6. Jul 20, 2011 #86 of 254
    aadam101

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    Maybe just maybe......they are just looking to show off some sales numbers. By selling these low end TV's, Tivo can turn around and say we sold "X" amount of TV's with Tivo software and then it might look more attractive to other higher end TV manufacturers. Out of all of the "Smart TV's" I have seen none of them had interfaces that impressed me much.
     
  7. Jul 21, 2011 #87 of 254
    SugarBowl

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    maybe the iphone/ipad apps will be able to control the TV power and volume on these TV's ?
     
  8. Jul 21, 2011 #88 of 254
    jcthorne

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    These Insignia tvs with Tivo built in are exactly the type of tv a tivo user would want for secondary rooms. Bedroom, kitchen, workout room. ESPECIALLY if they can natively stream from a Premiere without additional hardware. I would even consider replacing 3 of our current tvs in the house if this is what they have in mind. Essentially a tv with the upcomming tivo extender box built in. For live tv it can use a cable box or stream from the Premiere. A household should only need one Premiere box, and several clients.

    If one does not have a Tivo in the house, the tv will do mostly what all other internet connectable TVs on the market do now. Live tv and stream from various internet sources set up for that. Tivo has the inroads here to make the integrated tivo interface a notch up from the competitors and a REASON to add a tivo to households that don't currently have one.

    As for subscription costs for tivo extenders...I think there likely will be one, but it better be small. Say an additional $2 a month or $50 lifetime. Would be better if the licence costs were just included in the price of the devices.
     
  9. Jul 21, 2011 #89 of 254
    unitron

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    That would be smart and make sense.

    I don't hold out any hope for them choosing that particular path.:rolleyes:
     
  10. Jul 21, 2011 #90 of 254
    atmuscarella

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    Well I see problems with increasing the cost of the TV to include streaming from a TiVo: makes the TV cost to much for people who don't want or don't know they want streaming from a TiVo so it reduces sales.

    I also see problems with subscription fees: they would have to be fairly low and most would bit** like he** about them.

    I could see a one time "activation" fee but it would have to be low, something less than $50.

    Thanks,
     
  11. Jul 21, 2011 #91 of 254
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    I was in a Best Buy yesterday just looking and comparing the different brands of flat-screen TVs, thinking about how I could use a 32" or 42" TiVo Insignia TV in my home. I have a Premiere that is connected to our large Samsung TV/entertainment center in the living room, and an HDXL connected to a smaller TV in my home office. They are all connected via my home WiFi network. Where I could use the TiVo Insiginia might be in the kitchen or bedroom.

    Firstly, I wonder if a lot of people have a set-up similar to mine, where in TiVo households, the largest TVs already have a TiVo attached to them. So, for me, the 42" size makes no sense, and even the 32" size would possibly make sense only in the bedroom. A 24" size would be much more useful in the kitchen. Sigh...

    Secondly, I'm not particularly impressed with Insignia as a brand. I owned a small Insignia several years ago for the bedroom, and got rid of it after a year because it sounded bad and I couldn't get the picture quality as sharp as I wanted. I replaced it with a Samsung and couldn't be happier. What I saw yesterday is that Insignias look to be better made these days, but if it wasn't for the TiVo aspect, I would rather buy a different brand. If I just wanted internet connectivity with Netflix and the like, there are certainly many choices.

    Thirdly, I store some of my TiVo shows on an external hard drive attached to my computer, using pyTiVoX and kmttg to move shows around. If the Insignias can't join the party via streaming from the Premiere or Streambaby or something like that, then they are of no use to me.

    So after being initially excited about the Tivo - Best Buy partnership, what I've heard so far about what is coming is a let-down. However, the new Insignias are not actually out yet, it's still early in the game, and maybe the pyTiVo and kmttg people can figure something out. The TiVo Preview, if they make a retail version, might be what I need.
     
  12. Jul 21, 2011 #92 of 254
    javabird

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    I wish they had these out a few months ago. I just helped my mother, who's in her 80's, buy a second TV for her bedroom. She doesn't really need a Tivo in that room because she watches live TV, but having the guide data would be nice.
     
  13. Jul 21, 2011 #93 of 254
    aadam101

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    Do we know guide data is included? I pay for my guide data. They are just gonna give it away on these low end TV's? That's not going to sit well.
     
  14. Jul 21, 2011 #94 of 254
    shwru980r

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    If they give away the guide data, then I suspect that it would be limited no more than 3 days like the Basic Tivo service.
     
  15. Jul 22, 2011 #95 of 254
    lrhorer

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    Or maybe just maybe......Insignia is looking to boost sales of their TVs and are willing to pay TiVo enough to convince them to allow Insignia to use their software.

    And maybe just maybe.....TiVo thinks it would be good advertising.
     
  16. Jul 22, 2011 #96 of 254
    lrhorer

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    What good would more than a few hours do on a TV with no DVR?
     
  17. Jul 22, 2011 #97 of 254
    aaronwt

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    I guess the same as it does on any TV without a DVR that has guide data. It lets you setup reminders to watch your shows and view what's coming on later in the week.
     
  18. Jul 22, 2011 #98 of 254
    aadam101

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    What are they advertising though. This TV is not a "Tivo".

    If Microsoft developed software for a microwave and called it "Windows" would that mean it's a PC? How would that help Microsoft? It would just confuse people.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2011 #99 of 254
    SullyND

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    No you don't. You pay for the TiVo service, which includes guide data.
     
  20. dianebrat

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    Like "Windows 7 phone"? or Embedded Windows? or Windows CE?
    They are quite guilty of exactly this over in Redmond in the past 10 years.
     

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