Batwoman: Season 1 - spoilers for aired episodes

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  1. Oct 8, 2019 #21 of 100
    PJO1966

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    The character was written as gay in the comics.

    Also, representation is important to LGBTQ kids. They are a part of the population and need to see successful LGBTQ adults who don't end up dead at the end of the story, or who are the subject of ridicule. When I was a kid, there was nobody like me on television who didn't fit into any of the above categories. If there had, I might have accepted myself before I was 30. Instead I spent years hating myself. I wish better for kids now.
     
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  2. Oct 8, 2019 #22 of 100
    Rob Helmerichs

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    It's interesting that "each show having one LGBT character" translates to "no more heterosexual actors in the world"...

    Also an interesting assumption that an LGBT character means an LGBT actor, or that a heterosexual character means a heterosexual actor.
     
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  3. Oct 8, 2019 #23 of 100
    cheesesteak

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    You could substitute "African American" for "LGBT" and "white" for "heterosexual" and it'd be tv in the 70s and 80s.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2019 #24 of 100
    crazywater

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    Maybe just creating an interesting characters and stories instead of making sure all of the SJW boxes are checked.
     
  5. Oct 8, 2019 #25 of 100
    lparsons21

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    Not originally. She was supposed to be a love interest of Batman. I haven’t read comics in many years so I suppose it could be different now.



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  6. Oct 8, 2019 #26 of 100
    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, she was a lesbian from the beginning.

    There was an earlier Batwoman, but that was an entirely different character.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2019 #27 of 100
    realityboy

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    The current version (Kate) was introduced in 2006 and has always been a lesbian and Bruce’s cousin. The Kathy version that dated Batman has been established as a separate character.

    Edit: What Rob said.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2019 #28 of 100
    Hoffer

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    This got me to Google and I stumbled upon the below article. I was thinking they made a change from Barbara Gordon, but that's actually Batgirl. I've never read comic books and didn't know the history of Batgirl and Batwoman. Article also mentions the Kate and Kathy versions of Batwoman.

    How To Tell The Difference Between Batwoman & Batgirl
     
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  9. Oct 8, 2019 #29 of 100
    dianebrat

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    and how does that represent inclusivity? The "SJW Boxes" as you flippantly refer to them are about showing inclusivity and diversity so that all types of people are represented and people can look up to others that are like them, especially to help those younger people to let them know they're not alone as @PJO1966 calls out in his post.
     
  10. Oct 8, 2019 #30 of 100
    cheesesteak

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    They are creating interesting characters and stories. They just don't happen to look, think and act like you.
     
  11. Oct 8, 2019 #31 of 100
    crazywater

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    They don't have to look, think and act like me. I wouldn't watch that show. I would watch a show that has engaging and likable characters that make you want to watch and root for them. That sure ain't this show. If you like it, I am thrilled for you. Enjoy it.
     
  12. Oct 8, 2019 #32 of 100
    TonyD79

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    Wow. One episode and you’ve decided if you would root for the characters. Or are you imprinting that decision onto something else? BTW, these characters are pretty popular in the comic book world. So far, they match.
     
  13. Oct 8, 2019 #33 of 100
    TonyD79

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    Eeewww. She’s Batman’s first cousin!
     
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  14. Oct 8, 2019 #34 of 100
    Rob Helmerichs

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    He's talking about the 50s Batwoman, who was most definitely NOT Bruce's cousin!
     
  15. Oct 8, 2019 #35 of 100
    realityboy

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    She was later revealed as his aunt by marriage, but her husband had died by the time she became involved with Bruce.
     
  16. Oct 8, 2019 #36 of 100
    JYoung

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    The 1950's Batwoman (Kathy Kane) was created to tamp down the "blatant homosexuality" of Batman comics, what with the sausage fest situation of Bruce, Dick, and Alfred living by themselves in Wayne Manor and spending all their free time in dark caves and back alleys and Bruce and Dick running around in tights.

    So Kathy Kane was introduced as a love interest for Batman.
    And in parallel, Kathy's niece, Bette Kane or Bat-Girl (note the hyphen) was introduced as a love interest for Robin.

    Kate Kane is a completely different character who has a similar name (and some background overlap) as a nod to the original character.

    Kate Kane has also been a lesbian from Day one.

    (So any chance of Renee Montoya showing up?)
     
  17. Oct 8, 2019 #37 of 100
    TonyD79

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    I know. It was funny. But did he know?
     
  18. Oct 9, 2019 #38 of 100
    mr.unnatural

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    I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that every actor portraying a gay character was gay in real life. There are lots of gay actors playing heterosexual characters and vice versa. It was not my intent to bash the lifestyle. I'm actually good friends with several gays and transgender people. It just seems that there are a vast number of shows that are including gay characters as part of the ensemble. It seems gratuitous in some cases and doesn't necessarily add value to the story. It's almost like Hollywood has some sort of unwritten quota that show producers have to meet when deciding on what characters are included in any given show. It's almost becoming a cliché by having a token gay person in the cast. Perhaps I should have included a sarcastic emogee along with the comment about there being no more heterosexual characters in the world. It's almost like everyone is coming out of the closet on TV these days. I know that they like to keep casts of shows diverse so adding more characters of this type is just an expansion of ethnic characters and the like.
     
  19. Oct 9, 2019 #39 of 100
    cheesesteak

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    I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of tv roles are still being written and cast as straight. We just happen to notice the tv gay roles now because they practically didn't exist for most of our lives other than as punch lines. And with the CW superhero shows that I watch, they may not be the lead roles but they're usually important secondary and tertiary roles that play a part in every episode. I'm not claiming to be the most evolved person on the issue, because I definitely am not but with the recent death of pioneering actress Diahann Carroll, I'm reminded how important it is for people usually in society's margins to see themselves reflected positively in today's world and that involves silly superhero tv shows too.
     
  20. Oct 10, 2019 #40 of 100
    smak

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    What about her being a lesbian made her not engaging and not likable?

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