Batwoman: Season 1 - spoilers for aired episodes

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  1. Oct 6, 2019 #1 of 171

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale


    So Bruce Wayne and Batman have both been gone for two years, and no one in Gotham has put two and two together.

    I'm surprised they did the big reveal of the "dead" sister being the baddy in the Pilot.
  2. Oct 6, 2019 #2 of 171

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Why would they connect Batman and Bruce Wayne? Why assume that the Batman alter ego isn’t living in downtown Gotham? There is nothing to connect them when they were both in town. Why would a connection arise just because the both are gone?
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    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003
    It was blatantly obvious the first time Kate met Alice by the way Alice was behaving. I would have thought a lot less of the show if they didn’t reveal it by the end of the episode.

    Overall I wasn’t that impressed with this show. Pilots tend to be weak, so I’ll give it a few more episodes to see if it picks up.
  4. Oct 6, 2019 #4 of 171

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I was more upset that the inept security guard was in on the Batman secret...
    Oh, and that he apparently modified the batsuit to fit Kane in like 5 minutes---and she was an instant expert in all the bat-toys (like the ascender)
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  5. Oct 7, 2019 #5 of 171

    alpacaboy Well-Known Member

    Oct 29, 2004


    What do you mean "baddy"?
    She wants to rule Gotham with Kate! :D

    I'm mildly amused by casting a former Bird of Prey as Beth/Alice.
  6. Oct 7, 2019 #6 of 171

    Unbeliever Random Nobody

    Feb 3, 2001
    Nowhere Special
    The Blake Lively quote from Green Lantern came to mind during the rescue scene:

    “I’ve known you my whole life! I’ve seen you naked! You don’t think I would recognize you because I can’t see your cheekbones?”

    --Carlos "It came with the outfit" V.
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  7. Oct 7, 2019 #7 of 171

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Supergirl doesn't even wear a mask, and people that know her closely don't catch wise. I think there must be a genetic mutation for face-blindness in the DC multiverse.
  8. Oct 7, 2019 #8 of 171

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    That's not just an "inept security guard" that's Luke Fox son of Lucius Fox who was very close to Bruce/Bats
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    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    So color me intrigued but disappointed in the look of the show.
    There were some choices made in color palate and focus that really bothered me during the pilot, the palate changed within scenes and rarely was consistent, and the focus was off enough so that regularly looked like SD to me including very weird distortion at times as they panned and times when it was very clear there was more going on with the depth of field than just a lens or setting. The scenes where her t-shirt was out of focus and her face wasn't were some of the prime ones where things were just off.

    Story-wise it more than worked for me but the technical issues were very distracting.
  10. Oct 7, 2019 #10 of 171

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    Thanks, I was a little confused about the Lucius/Luke connection. I though this may have been a Spider-Man type thing where Aunt May is now much younger.

    Alice epitomizes one of the things that always bugs me about tv shows - obvious, bad wigs.

    How many years had Kate been doing extreme training and she almost loses a fight with Alice?

    Am I mis-remembering something or did Batwoman's cowl have a flaming red wig attached to it when she appeared on the CW's superhero crossover?

    I had no idea who the Crows were until about two thirds of the way through the episode.

    I liked it enough to keep watching.
  11. Oct 7, 2019 #11 of 171

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    Yeah, that's a weird thing to be missing and I haven't yet seen clips with it for future episodes but I'm assuming there's an episode where she decides to go for it to help identify her over Batman since it's in the lot of promo material, red wig and red bat emblem are pretty obvious, granted the crossover episode may have been a different Batwoman earth version :)
  12. Oct 7, 2019 #12 of 171

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Batwoman is in the same universe as Flash and Green Arrow, right?
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    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I don't think so. I think they ran into her during a voyage across the multiverse...
  14. Oct 7, 2019 #14 of 171

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    I'm not sure that's exactly right.
    I think that in the crossover that Batwoman met them, Flash and Arrow were experiencing their own Earth but in alternate realities created by the magic book that Arkham psychiatrist Deagan was using. They did travel to Kara's Earth 38 to get her and Superman's help.
    So I think that, yes, Batwoman is part of Earth Prime. (One?)
  15. Oct 7, 2019 #15 of 171

    getbak Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Calgary, AB
    From what I remember, Batwoman was in Gotham in the main Arrowverse. Of course, because it all took place in the altered "Elseworlds" storyline, they have an easy excuse for any changes they want to make from what was shown during the crossover.

    I'm sure it won't ultimately matter once their Crisis on Infinite Earths happens, but if this is the same version of Batwoman that we saw in last season's crossovers, it would appear to be a prequel to that story.

    As already mentioned, in the crossover last year, Batwoman was already established in Gotham with her red and black costume with the long red wig. It looks like she's going to take at least a little while before she adopts that costume on this show.
  16. Oct 7, 2019 #16 of 171

    Donbadabon Bored TCF Club

    Mar 5, 2002
    Nashville, TN
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  17. Oct 7, 2019 #17 of 171

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I'm guessing that this take place before the events of "Elseworlds" due to the costume and the fact that Kate just came back to Gotham in this episode.

    It didn't seem like Barry and Oliver were particularly familiar with Batwoman so maybe their meeting happened shortly after Kate adopted her "traditional" costume.
    (Oliver: "What, Batman is a myth so I'm supposed to believe in a Batwoman?")

    I wonder if Kate realizes that the Joker is responsible for the death of her mother.
    (And possibly whatever happened to Beth.)
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  18. Oct 7, 2019 #18 of 171

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001
    I'm glad I read this thread before watching the show.. and during it.. Helps me know who is who. Even if I dont know who any of the people are.
  19. Oct 7, 2019 #19 of 171

    justen_m Cheesehead TCF Club

    Jan 14, 2004
    Boise, ID
    The most distracting for me was how young they tried to make Ruby Rose look. Seriously, Kate Kane's face almost looked CGI-modified. Kate Kane is supposed to be, what, 22 or 23-years-old? Guessing based on Beth and her mom dying 15 years ago, and Kate looked 8(?) at the time. I think some of the weird camera focus may be part of trying to make 33-year-old Ruby Rose appear at least a decade younger. This was most apparent a bit later, when she was marvelling (hah!) at the toys in the Batcave. I'm thinking the uncanny valley effect, but in reverse, in that Kate Kane eerily resembled a human-looking robot.

    My favorite scene was just a minor thing. Small detail. When Batwoman and Sophie fall from the building and land on the bed in the trailer and BW is leaving. She tries to open the door, can't, glances at Sophie (us?), and then unlocks the door. I don't why, but I found this hilarious.
  20. Oct 8, 2019 #20 of 171

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    Another comic-based TV show meant for entertainment purposes only. I try not to read too much into things as far as being factual or believable. It's all fiction.

    Has it become mandatory that every TV show must have at least one LGBT character in the cast? Are there no more heterosexual actors left in the world? It's like every show must have a diverse cast that covers all bases. Has this become some sort of unwritten rule in Hollywood? It's just an observation.
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