Battlestar Galactica: The Captains Hand 2-17-06 *Spoilers*

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  1. Feb 21, 2006 #81 of 138
    DreadPirateRob

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    Well, as CAG (which I assume stands for Commander, Air Group - that's what it's called in the US Navy) for either Galactica (which he was last year) or Pegasus (which was his position during this ep), Lee was in charge of the fighter wing, and as such it would make the most sense for him to be 3rd in command (behind the CO and XO) during a combat operation, which this one was. As for non-combat times I suppose the chain of command is less clear, but I would still posit that CAG would be 3rd in command. After all, who else is left that has leadership and management experience?
     
  2. Feb 21, 2006 #82 of 138
    DevdogAZ

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    I'm sure you are right. I'm just saying that they haven't really made the chain of command clear throughout the series. I've always felt like we focused on a select few of the people on board but that there are hundreds more, probably many in various leadership capacities, that we never see. When Apollo transferred to Pegasus in this episode, I'm not sure it was ever stated what his new job was, but I didn't get the sense that he was the new XO as that would probably require the rank of Colonel and he was barely a brand-new Major. Therefore, for him to be made commander ahead of whoever was the XO seems kind of strange.

    I'm not saying what the characters did was wrong or even unexpected. I'm simply saying that the writers should have put some kind of short scene into one of the recent episodes where the top brass discussed the lack of command-level officers and promoting certain qualified candidates into leadership roles.
     
  3. Feb 21, 2006 #83 of 138
    sieglinde

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    Is there any website where I can get a good summary of the episode? My cable box did not go to the right channel and I discovered that to late to get a repeat of the episode.
     
  4. Feb 21, 2006 #84 of 138
    DreadPirateRob

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    I'm fairly certain that it was explicitly mentioned that Apollo was the new Pegasus CAG, and was taking over because Starbuck was screwing up too much.

    I don't recall whether there was ever any mention of who the new Pegasus XO was. It may well be that a CO gets to appoint his own XO, and since the new Pegasus CO was only just appointed by Adama that the CO (whatever Heard's character's name was) had not yet had a chance to appoint one. As such, he had no one but Apollo to turn command over to. But, of course, I'm just speculating. :)

    Didn't they talk about it in the "previously on" (which was never actually previously shown, to my knowledge) intro where Tigh protests that Heard isn't the right man to lead Pegasus, and Adama says he's the best choice, but says it in a way that implies that there is a dearth of qualified candidates?

    Otherwise, agreed.
     
  5. Feb 21, 2006 #85 of 138
    jwreiner

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    I initially thought this was a pretty good episode, I think because I like to see the battles with the cylons. But the whole thing about fixing the FTL is pretty darn silly. The ship is getting rocked with nukes, but fixing the FTL involves turning three valves. It is easy to write and film, which is why something similar has been done hundreds of times, often better. Whenever they do this on TV or in movies, I always wonder why the valves are there in the first place. If things work fine with them open or closed, why are they there?

    Oh right, so someone can close them to save the day.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2006 #86 of 138
    PJO1966

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    I rewatched that "Previously On" bit. They used some creative editing when Adama and Tighe were talking about the engineer being promoted to Commander. You never actually saw either of them talk on camera. When Adama was talking there was a close-up of Tighe. When Tighe was talking there was a close-up of Adama. It was a nice save and was well done. They didn't have to reshoot the scene and the actors could be brought in to do some quick VO lines.
     
  7. Feb 21, 2006 #87 of 138
    nedthelab

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    Did any one notice when (John Heard) said God Damn it during the I'm going to fix the ship part and give up my life - they always say Gods Damn it (plural) - Gaff perhaps
     
  8. Feb 21, 2006 #88 of 138
    questfortruth

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    Apollo's promotion seems perfectly plausible.

    Unless there's another "one month later" leap, then the Pegasus is going to be in rough shape for awhile. She took three direct Nuke hits, was bombarded at close range by three Basestars, and used up all of her heavy ammo.
     
  9. Feb 22, 2006 #89 of 138
    MickeS

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    This must be the most inadvertantly racist comment I've ever seen on these boards! :D:D
     
  10. Feb 22, 2006 #90 of 138
    MickeS

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    Reminded me of the scene in "Galaxy Quest" where Sigourney Weaver has to crawl through a space with some completely idiotic obstacles:

    [Gwen and Jason encounter the chompers]
    Gwen DeMarco: What is this thing? I mean, it serves no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway. No, I mean we shouldn't have to do this, it makes no logical sense, why is it here?
    Jason Nesmith: 'Cause it's on the television show.
    Gwen DeMarco: Well forget it, I'm not doing it, this episode was badly written.

    And just like in real life, there might be persons out there who want nothing more than to adopt that unwanted baby.
     
  11. Feb 22, 2006 #91 of 138
    Jonathan_S

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    Well they did mention that the problem with the FTL was that the primary coolant loop had failed. So the combination of those four valves shut off the primary coolant loop from the FTL (stopping the leak) and connected the secondary coolant loop to the FTL (so it had cooling and could function).

    Without those values the primary and secondary coolant loops would always be connected and a any leak in any coolant pipe would drain the whole system.


    So it's not totally illogical; but its darn convenient that all the nukes did was break one pipe. :)
     
  12. Feb 22, 2006 #92 of 138
    MickeS

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    I didn't even pay attention to how the valves were connected to the FTL functionality... does it really matter? The point is they needed fixing to get the FTL working.

    Who really cares about the inner workings of the technology they use? I sure don't.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2006 #93 of 138
    vman41

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    I imagine they are usally there so you can isolate different pieces for maintainence. PBS had a documentary on a nuclear sub and there were pipes
    and valves all over the place.
     
  14. Feb 22, 2006 #94 of 138
    philw1776

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    Good points regarding the Pres's approach towards the population issues.

    Regarding your quote, this really annoys me about BSG. It's becomming more and more apparent that the writing team is simply too LAZY to do any research to construct a detailed, coherent background. A well constructed background makes character oriented episodes better because viewers are not distracted by annoying discordant anomalies that suddenly intrude and distract from the story. We've already seen zero regard for any scientific fact on the show, not even a self-consistent alternative fantasy, but the blatant disregard of military ranks in a show so grounded in the military is just sloppy writing.
     
  15. Feb 22, 2006 #95 of 138
    MickeS

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    Judging by the podcasts, Moore is quite a military buff. I really doubt it's disregard. I wouldn't be surprised if they mix it up just to make it somewhat different from earth. Remember, this is not the US Navy...
     
  16. Feb 22, 2006 #96 of 138
    Stormspace

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    Obviously if we had intersteller vehicles capable of supporting the military, all of the armed services branches would want to be represented. I think this is what we are looking at on BSG. Obviously as well they've had to reconcile certain ranks between the branches, specifically that of Captain, which in this case is translated to Commander with regard to the ranking officer in charge of a Battlestar.

    I'm going on memory however but I still think smaller ships and commercial vessels on BSG still use the Captain designation for the highest ranking officer.
     
  17. Feb 22, 2006 #97 of 138
    speedcouch

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    Yes, any officer commanding a ship is usually called "Captain" even though that's not his official rank. I have no problem with that. I guess what I do have a problem with is mixing "Commander" for Adama with his next rank after being promoted as Admiral. And that his second in command is a Colonel. Just plain weird! But as I said, I'm sure it's just the "alternative universe" they're operating in for TV. Also, loved that "France" references yesterday. :D

    Cheryl
     
  18. Feb 22, 2006 #98 of 138
    jwreiner

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    There are no inner workings of the technology. It is just a hackneyed scene. Next week they will have Apollo trying to decided whether to cut the red wire or the blue wire, he'll start to cut one, then wipe his brow, cut the other, and save the day.
     
  19. Feb 22, 2006 #99 of 138
    MickeS

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    I was under the impression the complaints were about how the pipes were connected. I agree that the scene was very clich├ęd.
     
  20. Anubys

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    everyone knows the wires on Galactica are Green and Yellow :rolleyes:

    :D
     

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