Battlestar Galactica - S2E13- 1/20/06 "Epiphanies"

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  1. Jan 22, 2006 #61 of 178
    xmajic

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    Well Baltar is the vice-prez. So I'm sure he's got some amount of pull. Also, security is mostly for intrusion purposes. They rarely check you on the way out.

    Which leads to me to a couple of more questions:

    1) Maybe I missed this but, did the Cyclon detector get scrubbed? I would think they need it now, more than ever.

    2) If yes to question 1, won't Adama be asking for his nuclear warhead back soon?
     
  2. Jan 22, 2006 #62 of 178
    Anubys

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    Rob Helmerichs has long theorized that there are two factions withing the cylons; one that wants to wipe out humanity, and one that wants peace and interaction...

    I wonder if the writers are setting up the parallels within the Human side as well...

    assuming Rob is right, of course (there's a first time for everything!) ;) :p
     
  3. Jan 22, 2006 #63 of 178
    speedcouch

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    Someone asked why Baltar went from not supporting Gina and the pacifists to giving her the nuke. That's easy. When he read Roslyn's letter saying she didn't like him and he needed to be more compassionate if he became president, it pissed him off royally. You could tell that by the look on his face.

    I watched the show live and didn't care for the "pro life" commercial about the cylon baby. Made me think it was a concession for the pro-lifers in the audience to offset all the abortion talk. And, THAT, offended me. It's fiction folks! IMHO, the writers shouldn't have to placate part of the population just for ratings sake (or to prevent complaints from the moral majority).

    If someone here had not suggested stem cells from the fetus would save Roslyn, I would've enjoyed the surprise of the episode more though. But I thought it was a good episode.

    I do believe the cylon blood will begin taking over the President eventually. And that will lead to some interesting moral connundrums for everyone. Also, will the Cylon blood somehow make her forget her memories of seeing Baltar with Gina back on the planet?

    There were two real ironies in Roslyn's flashbacks to Caprica: First, it was clear she WAS having an affair with the former president and second, he was going to remove her from her position after the decommissioning ceremony of Galactica. The true irony is that she wouldn't have even been in line for succession to the Presidency had he removed her before that.

    Also, I'm not sure what the parallel between the teachers' strike on Caprica and the negotiations with the "peace" group in the fleet now will be, but there seemed to be some point to that part of the flashbacks (other than pissing off the previous president). Also, that showed me that Roslyn did have some balls even when she was only Secretary of Education.

    What did bother me was Helo went from being on death row to threatening to pull a gun on Adama when they were taking Sharon in for the abortion. I mean, forgiving he and the Chief and letting them go back to their jobs is one thing, but Helo's actions in this case should've been enough for Adama to throw him in the brig forever as a repeat offender. That's the only part of the plot that seemed unbeliever to me.

    Cheryl
     
  4. Jan 22, 2006 #64 of 178
    Anubys

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    I think that the president will be fine...but I do think that she will always be accused of being a cylon agent because of being "contaminated" with their blood...there will always be a cloud of suspicion hanging over her...
     
  5. Jan 22, 2006 #65 of 178
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    It was a commercial. Not part of the episode.
     
  6. Jan 22, 2006 #66 of 178
    hefe

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    Podcast insight:

    They had wanted to make the cure related to stem cell technology, but couldn't make it fit with the story...That is, it would have required actual surgeries and time, and further technological explanations that they didn't want to try and deal with. Basically it came down to the old, "it just works, don't worry about it" approach... (my quotes, not theirs)
     
  7. Jan 22, 2006 #67 of 178
    cheesesteak

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    Adama has lost his mind. Based on his actions in this episode, Helo should have been encased in concrete and pushed out an airlock in the direction of the nearest star. His judgement has become so impaired, his loalty so misplaced, that he cannot be trusted in any way whatsoever aboard Galactica.

    I hope Roslyn doesn't get away scot free. Using the Cylon fetal blood should have some serious future implications.

    I really hope there's no Cylon baby. I don't want any kids on this show.

    I agree with some other posters tht there should have been rumblings of Cylon sympathisers before now.

    I guess I don't fully understand why Baltar was so pissed at Roslyn's letter that he'd give a nuke to the sympathisers. Doesn't everybody (including himself) think he's a selfish, egocentric, erratic, untrustworthy nut?
     
  8. Jan 22, 2006 #68 of 178
    windracer

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    It's the glasses. :up: Gotta love the glasses.

    (Just like parallel universe Sam on SG-1)
     
  9. Jan 22, 2006 #69 of 178
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    Was it the Cylon's blood that is different, or Boomer's baby's blood? Because if it is the Cylon's blood, then it is a good thing Adama gave Gaius that Nuke ;) Of course the Prez. doctor should have been able to autopsy the differences between humans and Cylons, but, , , ,

    Interesting plot direction, though like dswallow, I'm not sold on this path just yet.

    What would Joss have done here, my guess, kill of Prez Laura, but then again, his show is no longer on TV, so what do I know?
     
  10. Jan 22, 2006 #70 of 178
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    I thought the commercial was pretty clever. It looked like some pro-life commercial or something, then the kids spine starts glowing and it appears to give you the evil eye. Like many other Sci-Fi channel commercials it looks like some mundane thing you see everywhere then it turns around and turns into the something cool/creepy.

    So now that Baltar has made it clear that he can tell the difference between human and Cylon blood I hope they'll be pushing him to finish that detector. For frak's sake Doc Cottle with a simple blood test was able to detect something "damned odd" about the blood yet supposed genius Baltar can't figure out how to make a detector?

    Considering that Adama himself had just launched Vipers and threatened a catastrophic conflict with the Pegasus to save 2 of his crew and the enormous and precious resources spent looking for Starbuck in Season 1 I think it's perfectly reasonable for his to cut Helo some slack in his defense of his child.

    I'm just amazed that there isn't more widespread talk about how the vice-president is a freaking nutjob. We have a vice president that uses a very uncommon yet still technically correct spelling of the word potato and it's all over the news for months. Baltar on the other hand frequently talks to nothing, chokes himself with his own necktie, seems to not recognize that a person is standing right next to him, etc but nobody is saying more than that he's a bit odd???
     
  11. Jan 22, 2006 #71 of 178
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    In the prophecy, do we know which leader will die before they reach Earth? I know everybody thinks it's Roselyn, but what if it's Adama? He is just as much a leader as Roslyn is, if not more.
     
  12. Jan 22, 2006 #72 of 178
    xmajic

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    It would be Rosylin. She's the one who initiated the search for the Arrow. She had the visions - the snakes, the structure on Kobol, etc. However, now that she has cheated death, I dunno know either. Maybe she has just cheated death for the short term?
     
  13. Jan 22, 2006 #73 of 178
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Or maybe she's pissed off the gods...
     
  14. Jan 22, 2006 #74 of 178
    dcheesi

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    Or at least the zealots ;) And the ones who would be bothered by her loss of "Moses-hood" would be deeply disturbed if they found out how she was cured...

    If they're smart, Roslyn and Adama will downplay the extent of her recovery as long as possible.
     
  15. Jan 22, 2006 #75 of 178
    NoThru22

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    He finished the Cylon detector a long time ago. Remember, he's supposed to be testing everyone on the ship but it'll take forever. It even detected Sharon was a Cylon, but Gina (Six) convinced Baltar to make everyone come out negative.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2006 #76 of 178
    Warren

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    well Bill hasn't had visions yet. She saw visions and was dyeing thats why they thought she was the "profit" If Bill starts seeing things then he might be the one to die but I doubt it
     
  17. Jan 23, 2006 #77 of 178
    Peter000

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    Wow, some interesting thoughts in this thread.

    I don't like the direction of the Cylon Sympathizers. Agreed they should have been rumblings about them before. Most of the fleet should really think they're nut-jobs. And they pretty much appeared to be, but really scary nut jobs, with a Cylon leader and a nuke.

    Can Presiident Roslyn really trust her memory of seeing Baltar kissing Six? I mean, she was near death and having weird fuzzy visions. Baltar might convince her that's all it was.

    Six. Glasses. HOT. I was never a fan of the "glam" Six look.

    Agreed that Helo should have been relieved of duty, but he DID step down when ordered to. He never drew his weapon. But the fleets gotta be running short on qualified military personell at this point. They just can't throw their people in the brig without an EXTREMELY good reason. And the killing was a totally unintentiona, in the midst of the guy mistreating and raping a prisoner... I'm not sure the offense was that unexcusible.

    About the Cylon Baby promo... LOVED it. :) I don't think it was in any way over the line... just a parody of those right to life commercials. Mild at that. And I don't think it really had anything to do with the show producers, or any intent they have for the whole plot, they could easily kill the baby in a show to come. It doesn't set in cement that it's going to be born. Although to me it's the most interesting part of the show right now.

    Does Resistance Six have memories of Caprica Six? Does Pregnant Caprica Boomer have memories of Galactica Boomer? Or are memories downloaded to only those aboard ressurection ships? Or can the be downloaded to a fully functioning Cylon? I'm confused.

    I enjoyed the show, but not as much as other eps. But they've gotta take it somewhere... they're beyond where the old storyline went, aren't they? I guess they haven't done the "heaven ship" and Devil-guy story. But it's probably one they could skip IMO.
     
  18. Jan 23, 2006 #78 of 178
    MickeS

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    He would probably have done it as a musical... or thrown in some "witty" one-liners to get some "comic relief". ;)
     
  19. Jan 23, 2006 #79 of 178
    mrpantstm

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    I think you just answered your own question. ;)
     
  20. Jan 23, 2006 #80 of 178
    dtle

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    How do the peace-activists NOT know that their leader Gina is a Cylon? Her pictures should've been sent to every ship by now. The secret about Cylons looking like human is out, isn't it?
     

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