Battlestar Galactica "Dirty Hands" Episode #315 2/25/2007 *spoilers*

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  1. Feb 28, 2007 #81 of 120

    7thton No raindrop ever falls in the wrong place

    Mar 3, 2005


    At least this episode made mention of running from the cylons and finding Earth. But more importantly, very little Starbuck. That woman just brings the whole show down.

    And at least this episode dealt with issues that actually are important to the survival of the race.

    The stuff about Baltar is a bit hard to swallow. Who is actually going to support this guy after he colluded with the cylons on New Caprica?
  2. Feb 28, 2007 #82 of 120

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    Didn't the refinery ship get mentioned once way back in season 1, maybe in the ep when they attacked the big Cylon Tylium refinery?

    But don't worry. I'm sure the writers' forgot about it.
  3. Feb 28, 2007 #83 of 120

    DeathRider New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Boston Area RCN
    I guess if the "people" found out/knew it was baltar's fault they lost on Caprica and why the Cylons found them on New Caprica, he would not be their "leader", he'd be jettisoned out an airlock without a trial...
  4. Feb 28, 2007 #84 of 120

    philw1776 Active Member

    Jan 19, 2002
    Seacoast NH
    Bad, bad writing for another boring episode.
    I'm not one who enjoys the space battles but if you're going to write a societal question centric episode, present the issues intelligently with a modicum of insight. As others have commented, they only superficially addressed the virtual slavery by the elite.

    And the bad writing spread to several scenes.

    Baltar's poorly done and incongruous agrarian and unique Caprican accents. WTF???

    Worst yet was the sudden transition at the end. Several scenes where the beautiful people ignore the pleas of the mining workers while sipping Chardonay. Chief later adds his reasoned pleas, to no avail. Finally, a good scene where Adama confronts Chief with military discipline realities. Ruined as suddenly without setup the President is all peace and love, not only listening and agreeing to his wishes but suddenly encouraging Chief to be a major political force.

    Instead, the writers could have inserted a brief prior scene where Adama discusses the strike with the Pres. Tells her how serious the situation is for the fleet and the implications of military discipline, that he WILL execute 'mutineers' if he has to. She considers Adama's words but does not reply. NOW cut to the good scene with Adama and the Chief where he threatens execution. We still don't know what the president's position is but we at least have SOME rationale when she later makes nicey nice with the Chief.

    Was I the only one wishing against all hope that the annoying Callie got the firing squad or the well deserved airlock treatment?
  5. Feb 28, 2007 #85 of 120
    Dennis Wilkinson

    Dennis Wilkinson Active Member

    Sep 24, 2001


    Wasn't it an issue with the fuel in a Raptor that caused Tyrol to be sent to the refinery ship in the first place?
  6. Feb 28, 2007 #86 of 120

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    There was some issue with impurities in the fuel.
  7. Feb 28, 2007 #87 of 120

    lordrichter Registered User

    Jan 10, 2003
    Chapel HIll, NC
    This episode sucked. It was so unbelievable that I actually stopped watching it about 30 minutes in and deleted it.

    Typically, that is the turning point for me. If history is an indicator, I will stop watching completely within a couple episodes and will delete the season pass.
  8. Feb 28, 2007 #88 of 120

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I thought his question was rhetorical... :)
  9. Feb 28, 2007 #89 of 120

    ReenieS geek goddess

    Sep 30, 2002
    Dallas, TX
    On the subject of slaves....

    Didn't the humans invent/create the Cyclons in order to take over the "crap" jobs the humans didn't want?

    Didn't the Cylons revolt when they became aware? Now the Cylons want payback.

    Could we be drawing a parallel between Cylon slavery (in the old days) and the lower-economic human classes? That might suggest a link between Baltar as a leader of the downtrodden people...just rambling....
  10. Feb 28, 2007 #90 of 120
    Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

    Mar 4, 2002
    0.7 miles...
    I agree with each of your points. It's nice to see someone realizing that the social norms of the USA in 2007 do not apply to the situation presented in BSG. :up:

    My only disagreement with your post is that I don't think the episode was totally "dumb". I can see human selfishness getting in the way of seeing the "big picture", at least temporarily.

    I've read through this thread with great amusement at all the people attempting to apply USA in 2007 societal norms to the universe of BSG.

    Folks, please think for a moment:

    Imagine the human race exterminated to 41,000 remaining people. The enemy that did the exterminating could reappear at any second to finish the job.

    Believe me, under such circumstances, some civil liberties that we take for granted would be forfeited, and seeing that the alternative would be total annihilation of the human race, they would be forfeited willingly.
  11. Feb 28, 2007 #91 of 120

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    Baltar is setting up his defense for the trial...he can't go up against a lynch mob so he is using all the tools at his disposal to gather support...

    he is very smart...but to ascribe any of his actions to anything but selfish reasons would be a big mistake...
  12. Feb 28, 2007 #92 of 120

    jerobi News/Deal Junkie

    Sep 28, 2000
    While I foudn this to be better than the two episodes that preceded it, I can't wait for these one-off arcs to end.

    Did we even SEE a cylon in this episode? And Baltar's mind-Six doesn't count.
  13. Feb 28, 2007 #93 of 120

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI
    I imagine that, then I imagine a tylium shortage and overworked factory workers. Then I immediately conclude I would re-assign people doing non-essential jobs to the factory. I wouldn't wait months until there is a virtual rebellion on my hands or refuse to even consider the notion that overworked people are less efficient and more likely to make mistakes.

    Unless there was something else we didn't see, the labor in this episode was extremely unskilled and an untrained monkey could probably do it.

    I also would do things like cut down massively on unnecessary raptor flights, travel between the major ships in small personal ships, etc.
  14. Feb 28, 2007 #94 of 120

    rich Final answer?

    Mar 18, 2002
    New York
    ...and not just tylium. These 41,000 people have to find or manufacture *all* of their consumable items and materials. They are lucky to have a tylium refinery ship. Do they have a paper mill ship? Do they have a toothpaste factory? Who is producing the soap? Who makes the shoes? They must stay awfully busy.
  15. Feb 28, 2007 #95 of 120

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

    Feb 23, 2006
    Salt Lake...
    Most excellent observation, not a ramble at all.
    At least the first part :D

  16. Feb 28, 2007 #96 of 120

    Charlutz New Member

    Apr 7, 2005
    Columbia, MD
    I think you are sorely underestimating the selfishness of the individual. People don't care that the race is threatened. They care how they are inconvenienced. Shortly after 9/11, people were patient with the additional security at the airport. Now?
  17. Feb 28, 2007 #97 of 120

    Charlutz New Member

    Apr 7, 2005
    Columbia, MD
    We have the ability to make clothes and cars with robots, but instead they are built in China and Mexico by hand. Maybe in the BSG economy, certain tasks are done a certain way because they are cheaper.
  18. Feb 28, 2007 #98 of 120

    jerobi News/Deal Junkie

    Sep 28, 2000
    Oh great. I hope the writers don't read this thread - that's enough material at LEAST four more of these episodes.
  19. Feb 28, 2007 #99 of 120

    Billyh1026 Randal Graves

    May 20, 2006
    What can I say...I like diversity in my board game opponents. :D

    Here's what I mean...I think BSG is at it's best when it has cylons and humans interacting, chasing, battling, plotting, scheming, planning, and so on, and so on, and so on, against each other. And no, I'm not saying "hey let's have shoot-out's every episode". What I do like though, and what I think drives the show, is the chess matches between the two. I could care less for the silly boring checker games between humans like the whining tylium shoveler's...helped by the chief...appeased by the president et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, BS. They're just dull and numb the brain cells I didn't kill off during adolescence.

    Hmmm...I figured the sarcasm of the "dumbed down" sentence would shine thru...alas, I'm a failure again. Next bridge I see I'm flinging myself off of. ;)
  20. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    I accept that you and a lot of others feel that way but I also like to see stuff that has NOTHING to do with the cylons once in a while. Its not always about them or finding earth and blowing up stuff or getting off Gilligans Island.

    I also disagree with previous posts that Roslyn or Adama were out of character. Roslyn has shown in the past when you cross her she is ready to impulsively kick you of the airlock or steal your child without regards to feelings. Its only after she settles down that she acts all wonderful. Adama is similar in that if you do anything to question his authority he will lock you up. HE even did that to Roslyn when he felt she overstepped her bounds. I believe they were fully in character. As for the refining ship it seemed primitive but how long have they been running now and what have they been cobbling together. Imagine us fleeing earth and taking along a portable refinery from say the backwoods of North Korea or even the sweatshops of China. I could easily imagine it being primitive. Although I would agree a ship that had FTL and this do conflict somewhat.

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