Battlestar Galactica 2/03/2006 (S02E15) "Scar"

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  1. Feb 6, 2006 #101 of 156

    whitson77 Active Member

    Nov 10, 2002


    I am sick of the flashback episodes as well. I also think these writers suck at writing for women.
  2. Feb 7, 2006 #102 of 156

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Enough with the unwarranted complaining, people...

    I just finished watching the episode, thought it was GREAT.

    Consistent with Starbuck's previous behavior (I don't know how anyone can say that her behavior came out of the blue), dealing with Anders & Caprica, which the writers up until now has pretty much left hagning... showed us more of the pilots, their routines and their lives. Developed the increasingly fragile and strained relationship between Kara and Lee. Had some very cool dogfight scenes. Told us more about how the Cylon figher pilots/ships feel about their part in this, and gave us an interesting conversation between Kara and Boomer.

    So I came here all excited, and see that most people just thrash the episode. WTF?

    I guess I don't understand what you expect from the show. This was classic BSG, dark, moody, character-centered and dealing with the struggle between humans and cylons from both sides viewpoint. What about that was not to like?
  3. Feb 7, 2006 #103 of 156

    vikingguy New Member

    Aug 11, 2005

    Exactly the characters in B5 changed slowly over time and they even forshadowed a lot of the changes. The sudden character changes just scream sloppy writing.
  4. Feb 7, 2006 #104 of 156

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    So Scar has.... Feelings, wo-o-o feelings.
  5. Feb 7, 2006 #105 of 156

    speedcouch Geekneck

    Oct 23, 2003
    North Carolina


    Well, Moore explaining it makes me feel SO much better... :(

    I'm just glad I Tivoed it last week instead of wasting my time watching it live. I think I'd rather see scenes the producers think are crappy than them repeating things just to fill time.

    You've obviously never been in the military! ;)

  6. Feb 7, 2006 #106 of 156

    chavez New Member

    Nov 18, 2004
    absolute crap episode.

    the flashback structure is getting old.

    Scar? weak.

    and why did they have to show us Starbuck turning around and playing chicken with "Scar" twice? because of the flashbacks shoved in between? thought their audience was too stupid to remember something they'd seen 10 minutes earlier?

    the only thing that could've redeemed this ep would have been Starbuck smashing that bottle of the other chick's head.
  7. Feb 7, 2006 #107 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I draw a distinction between her behavior bgeing plausible (whuich it is) and her behavior coming out of the blue (which it did). It was certainly a rational reaction to what she's been through, but they're ret-conning her behavior in previous episodes, where there was no hint that her alcohol use was affecting her duties and that her pilots did not respect her. Indeed, the past few episodes have suggested the exact opposite.

    I have no problem with her behavior, only that they should have done something to set it up, instead of--ahem--having it come out of the blue.
  8. Feb 7, 2006 #108 of 156

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI
    Like I said, I don't think they are implying any behavior problems in previous episodes. Seemed like it was implied only in the time between last episode and this one.
  9. Feb 7, 2006 #109 of 156

    digdug New Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    I liked this episode, though it's hard to put a finger on why I liked it. This is what I took away from it:

    Until now, Starbuck has been strong and angry on the inside. She never lets anything get to her and never lets anyone get too close. Being in the thick of the fray only makes her stronger and better able to shut out the ghosts that haunt her.

    This episode we saw her confront her humanity. We saw her realize that she is just as weak, vulnerable and mortal as the rest of us. The stress of being the best is getting to her. She's losing her edge a bit and is angry about it. She's feeling guilty about the guy she left on Caprica and the promise she made to return. She's got some competition from kat and she hates it, but it only pushes her more. Until the end where she gives in to her humanity and limitations and accepts things the way they are. It is what it is.

    As far as Apollo....I got nuthin.
  10. Feb 7, 2006 #110 of 156

    ihatecable Crazy Collies

    Apr 16, 2003
    Long Island,NY
    Noooooooooooooooo!!!! Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
  11. Feb 7, 2006 #111 of 156

    rlc1 Frakking idiot

    Sep 15, 2003
    Plaistow, NH
    I think every episode this season has been great. Sure, some of them don't have as much action, and some of them don't advance the major plotlines....but I think it's good to show other aspects of what life is like in the fleet, like "Black Market" did last week, and like this week's episode, which showed what kind of stress these pilots are under and what they have to go through to protect the fleet.

    As for Kara's meltdown...let's remember, their entire civilization has been wiped out, down to less than 50,000 people...and she's out there constantly risking her ass....I think it just shows that she's human, she's not perfect, and for me that's what makes this series so great. That's realism for heroes that can just keep taking a beating and keep smiling through it all. I think she's the best character on the show.
  12. Feb 7, 2006 #112 of 156

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

    Dec 3, 2000
    The problem is this is the only time we've seen them experience the stress, and that if the writers were on the ball, we'd have seen signs of this before. It's just that out of nowhere, all the pilots are suddenly under significant stress when just a few episodes ago they were happy go lucky smiling and joking around all the time, everytime we saw them.

    Someone decided the pilots needed to show some stress but never figured that out until recently. In other words, there were no plans, there was no story outline such that they'd create a basis for what we're expected to believe this epsiode. It just hits us over the heads out of nowhere.

    That's what we mean by bad writing.

    The storyline itself wouldn't be a problem if it didn't stand out so badly from the continuity of the rest of the series.

    There should be a more coherent outline of where they're going with the series and what needs to happen to the characters to get there than there apparently is. And that's sad, because there used to be a coherent plan through last season.
  13. Feb 7, 2006 #113 of 156

    digdug New Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    I see your point. This last episode could have come right on the tail of "33".
  14. Feb 7, 2006 #114 of 156

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI
    What? The pilots have been shown to be under stress throughout this series. Numerous times they have mentioned how they don't have enough vipers and don't have enough qualified pilots. Kat had to resort to drug use to be able to cope.

    Maybe you are referring to Apollo and Starbuck. We have seen early warning signs of stress in Starbuck, and numerous times when she's appeared to drink a bit too much and behaved erratically. We haven't seen it to this degree, but it's not like everyone was riding unicorns and enjoying life before this episode.
  15. Feb 7, 2006 #115 of 156

    marrone Phased Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Melbourne, FL
    I wonder how long until the cylons build another resurrection ship.

    And enough with the flashbacks.

  16. Feb 7, 2006 #116 of 156

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    hey! this looks like the first post...have we come around full circle?!

    :D :p
  17. Feb 7, 2006 #117 of 156

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    We must not have watched the same show. :) IMO, the stress and the behavior of the pilots have been consistent throughout, just emphasized more in this episode.
  18. Feb 7, 2006 #118 of 156

    jwreiner New Member

    Aug 19, 2003
    I am definitely in the camp of people who think this season has gone seriously downhill from the last. I think the longer a series like BSG goes on, the harder it is to get the same thrill from it. The "33" episode was great, for example, but you can only do that once, or at least once in a long while. The job of the writers becomes much harder as time passes, and it doesn't appear to me that the BSG writers are up to the task.

    Whether Starbuck's behavior would seem out of the blue or not in the real world is somewhat beside the point. If the writers had planned ahead more, they could have worked out the same issue over several episodes. The feeling I liked from the first seaon was that the episodes pulled me in and presented the drama on such a grand scale. I learned things about the characters, but as what felt like part of the overall story, not in scenes that scream "we are teaching you something here about this character".

    That is why I think many people haven't liked the last two episodes much. They were both about one character on screen all the time while everyone else is frozen in place, and we are hit over the head repeatedly with their inner struggles. How many times did I need to see either of Apollo's or Starbuck's flashbacks to get the point that they have issues? Enough already. And the fact that this "character development" was forced on us in the pursuit of the silly black market and scar plot lines doesn't help. I doubt we will hear anything else about the black market or scar ever. The Richard Hatch connection to the black market will turn out to be a tease that goes nowhere, I'll wager.

    The whole episode framework where a completely tangential conflict is manufactured to give one character a chance to hog a bunch of scene time is rarely a good idea, IMHO.

    Eventually, my expectations will drop and I'll resist the temptation to whine at length about each episode. I blame BSG for being too good the first season.
  19. Feb 7, 2006 #119 of 156

    danieljanderson Proud to preach TiVo

    Nov 18, 2002
    I completely agree!
    And -pure speculation- I believe that we will revisit Caprica at some point. Having Starbuck all worked up like we just saw her, will play into a Caprica episode.
  20. Feb 7, 2006 #120 of 156

    DLiquid Progressive User

    Sep 17, 2001
    Wow, some of you guys are really hard on this show. I like the show a lot, but I thought the first season had its faults, and a couple mediocre episodes in a row is not enough for me to think the sky is falling. I actually didn't realize how bad this episode was until I came here and read this thread ;). Here I was enjoying the great special effects and advancement of Starbuck's story, not realizing I should be hating it. The haters actually do make some very good points, both the Apollo and Starbuck bouts of depression were kind of out of the blue. But this is TV sci fi, and this is the best sci fi show on TV right now even on a bad day, by a wide margin.

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