Battlestar Galactica 2/03/2006 (S02E15) "Scar"

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  1. Feb 6, 2006 #81 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000


    Because we are now told that she has been so drunk that it has affected her duties, and that as a result her pilots no longer respect her. Yet everything we've seen of her since her return has suggested that her performance has been exemplary.

    Inconsistent. Bad writing.
  2. Feb 6, 2006 #82 of 156

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI
    I found this episode mediocre but I disagree with some of the assessments above. We have seen on more than one occasion in previous episodes that starbuck is hung up on Anders or whatever his name is. The strongest evidence that comes to mind was her giving Lee the cold shoulder a few times in the past.

    Lee and the hooker were a little different than starbuck's drinking problem. With Lee there had been no time lapse noticeable to allow for the unfolding of the events. With Starbuck's drinking problem, it had been apparent that they had been there for at least a little while doing the mining operation, so it was my understanding that her behavior developed during this time and wasn't implied that it had been going on in previous episodes unbeknownst to us (aside from being hung up on Anders which they did show). So it's a little different, but still cheap.

    I have had enough of the citizen kane time shifting. No more, please.

    I don't get why starbuck and scar were unable to hit each other when doing the chicken run for 10+ seconds. I've played enough space sims do know that they'd both be torn apart and one would probably be dead.

    Also don't get why kat and starbuck fell for the same trick that the saw on tape, with one raider leading them out and then scar getting them from behind. What's the point of studying tape if you never learn anything?

    What happened to the other raider? Did I fall asleep when kat killed it?
  3. Feb 6, 2006 #83 of 156

    jwjody Not enough room

    Dec 7, 2002
    Center of...
    Well, that's what I didn't like. I would rather SB get the kill and Kat eat crow.

    I do like the darkness of the show and the drama. But I also agree with what someone else said...there's no one on the show you can really like anymore. We're seeing a lot of people falling...I want to see some redemption.

  4. Feb 6, 2006 #84 of 156

    questfortruth New Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    We don't know how long it's been since the resurrection ship was destroyed, so yeah...she's been on one hell of a bender. Since Caine's death, she's had to deal with her feelings for Anders (because she knows there's no going back to Caprica now), and so she started to crack.

    How is that inconsistent?

    We're talking about a character who has a reputation as a loose cannon. She punched out her XO in the first season, she disobeyed her commanding officer to return to Caprica....etc

    She also showed serious remorse for the death of Lee's brother.

    Sorry, but I don't find her behavior in this episode to be such a stretch.
  5. Feb 6, 2006 #85 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000


    I'm sure the writers are glad that you're willing to do their work for them, and change past history to fit the current episode. I'm not so generous. If they want me to believe that she's been screwing up, I want to have seen her screwing up, not just be told "OK, everything we've shown you the past few weeks is a lie; just ignore it."
  6. Feb 6, 2006 #86 of 156

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

    Mar 5, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Just to veer OT for a moment, but has anyone ever noted that "Hot Dog" is played by Bodie James Olmos, EJO's son ? I was just rewatching an eps on UHD and saw his name in the credits. I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in the threads.
  7. Feb 6, 2006 #87 of 156

    JustAllie Number crunchin' TCF Club

    Jan 4, 2002
    Arlington, VA
    Why did they have to kill off our new pal Scar! :( ;)

    I think the line that gave me pause to think this time was when Boomer said something about how repeated violent death was having a really negative effect on some of these Cylons. I wonder if we'll see more evidence of this in future episodes -- and hear more about the way trauma is affecting the Spylons, too. So far they seem very "human" in this respect.
  8. Feb 6, 2006 #88 of 156

    Tsiehta Active Member

    Jul 22, 2002
    I found this episode to be an interesting exploration of the lives/concerns of the pilots. A more intimate and closer look at their world, without the politics of the Pres, or Adama, or Baltar.
  9. Feb 6, 2006 #89 of 156

    J4yDubs Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    Jamison, PA
    My thoughts.

    "88 hours ago" Uhhg. Enough already.

    Scar? I thought of Space: also. Maybe a little back story on how he got the scar would have helped. They almost did that with the Sharon scene.

    I’m all for character development, but I don’t like it being the single focus of the episode. Adding in one or two of the other on going plots would have helped out a lot.

    Like last weeks Apollo episode, the character turn around seemed too sudden. Maybe I’m spoiled by G’Kar and Londo in B5, but I like that more gradual change. Seeing what makes them change the way they do.

    Did not like having the chicken scene go to commercial, twice[\b]!

    Kat got the kill? She took the shot that hit him, but there’s no way she should be celebrating like that. That was Starbucks kill. Also, they would have both been goners if Starbuck hadn’t figured out the trap.

    How much time has passed in this series so far? Maybe that’s the problem. We don’t know how much time has passed, so things that should take time to develop (Kat becoming an Ace, for example) seem to be happening too fast. Maybe they aren’t and we just don’t know how much time has passed. Frustrating.

    Overall, better than Black Market, but no where near the standard set to date. If this is one of the stand out episodes… Uh oh. There might be a shark jumping.

  10. Feb 6, 2006 #90 of 156

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    That was it's intention. They do some of these focused episodes to explore a particular subject, in this case, the fighter pilot.

    I think my personal preference would be to have these elements interspersed throughout the normal arc of the show, but I can also understand that it's more manageable this way.

    As for the nonlinear storytelling, I'll place myself firmly in the minority...I like it. It doesn't get any more stale to me than the regular "linear" style does. One of my all-time favorite series, Boomtown, did a lot of this. Kind of their signature, actually.
  11. Feb 6, 2006 #91 of 156

    mbalgeman Bagel Man

    Feb 6, 2002
    The thing that I found interesting about that conversation was that Boomer said that Scar "hates you". Starbuck, not humans... Combine that with the "previously on" scene of Starbuck cutting into a "dead" raider and flying off in his corpse and the Cylons feeling stuff, I'm wondering how much of Scar's trama was a direct result of Starbuck... Perhaps Scar and Starbuck had met before!

    Now, I'm not sure I buy any of what I just typed. But when Shannon said that, I paused, turned to no one because my wife won't watch sci fi and said, "Because you CUT INTO HIS BRAIN!!!!!"
  12. Feb 6, 2006 #92 of 156

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

    Apr 13, 2004
    Hartsville, SC
    No, because the SA&B ep's were better. They made it last for several episodes while the Chig kept taking them out one by one.
  13. Feb 6, 2006 #93 of 156

    NoThru22 Smelly Pirate Hooker

    May 6, 2005
    Bel Air, MD
    I seem to be in the minority in that I enjoyed this episode, but I do have some criticisms. I'm surprised no one has a big problem with the amount of drinking/drunkedness in this episode. How could anyone (Lee and Starbuck) consume that much hard liquor in 80 hours and still be able to function? They seem to get horribly drunk, then their fine for flights, then horribly drunk, then a little sleep and then back to flying. Sure they showed her "hung over" at the briefing, but it's a bit much to drive the point that far into the ground.

    I think I hate all non-linear storytelling. I hate in Alias where they start at the end and then do the "48 hours earlier" BS. For me, it ruins all the tension until they get back to the point in the beginning. There's no sense of "how are they going to get out of this one?" I realize that in 99% of episodic television, they always "get out of this one" but I do like to suspend my disbelief a little and have fun. It takes out the fun.

    I do not mind "filler" episodes when they tell a good story. This was one I found to be good.
  14. Feb 6, 2006 #94 of 156

    Tsiehta Active Member

    Jul 22, 2002
    Hmmmmm, interesting. Scar was the Cylon fighter that crash landed with Starbuck in season 1? The fighter that she learned to fly?
  15. Feb 6, 2006 #95 of 156

    windracer joined the 10k club

    Jan 3, 2003
    St. Pete, FL
    I speculated on that back here but upon further reflection I think the scene in the "previously" segment was just to remind everyone that the raiders are "living" and re-incarnated like other Cylons.
  16. Feb 6, 2006 #96 of 156

    questfortruth New Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    Starbuck has been a CAG for what? Two episodes? She's in a new situation with even more pressure than before...and she was already liable to fly off the handle and get herself thrown in the brigg, or disobey direct orders etc.

    That she would fall apart under conditions of even greater pressure seems consistent with the character.

    I can understand if someone could not invest themselves in the episode for some reason, but I don't buy the "bad writing" charge.
  17. Feb 6, 2006 #97 of 156

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I thought it was the same fighter...
  18. Feb 6, 2006 #98 of 156

    chewbaccad New Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    I don't chime in on these threads very often anymore, but I'll pipe up here for the "liked it" crowd. It wasn't the best BSG ep ever, but was pretty good... even if it did probably suffer from following the previous two. I can't help but think they should have taken the last 3 eps (Scar, Black Market, and the Underground) and re-edited them to make them carry through 3 shows to give them a feeling of establishment. The sudden nature of everyone's flaws surfacing at once is what I think has jarred most people from suspension of disbelief, though Starbuck's was easily plausible.

    The Starbuck/Boomer conversation was very good. I too think this was the Raider Kara killed earlier, which is why it seemed to take more time stalking her and the chicken-fight seemed a bit more personal... but I guess the viewer is left to draw their own conclusions. Chalk up one more vote for the cool "bloody" explosion, though shouldn't it have flash-frozen? ;)
  19. Feb 6, 2006 #99 of 156

    TheSlyBear Opinionated Walrus

    Dec 26, 2002
    Austin, TX
    I've had jobs like that.
  20. Feb 6, 2006 #100 of 156

    Kevdog New Member

    Apr 18, 2001
    While I will grant that some of the criticisms put forth by the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity (tm) are valid, this was still a pretty decent episode. I don't think it strains credulity that Starbuck could have increasing feelings of guilt and sadness over the fact that she didn't fulfill her promise to Anders (which, many of you seem to forget, was quite prominently featured in the episode where she left Caprica). Someone (Rob?) suggested that Starbuck had lost the respect of her subordinates (implying that this was a universal opinion). I disagree. Cat was certainly on Starbuck's case, but her reasons were as much selfish (wanting to be the top gun) as anything else. And while some of Cat's fellow pilots may have been on her side, it appeared to me that just as many if not more were not. IOW, Starbuck did not fall off a cliff.

    I also think it's unfair to expect every single plot line and character nuance to be fully on display in every episode. It's not unrealistic for people to effectively deal with problems and issues by compartmentalizing ... for a time. So, for example, it's not necessary or even realistic for Apollo to be fully in the throes of the funk he displayed in the past couple of episodes every week until it's "resolved". That doesn't mean it's over or it won't come back.

    I also think the NNsON are overlooking/dismissing/just plain dissing the long-term implications of how constant resurrection is affecting the RaiLons. Something tells me this is going to be an important plot point later on.

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