Battlestar Galactica 2/03/2006 (S02E15) "Scar"

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  1. Feb 5, 2006 #61 of 156
    Attack

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    I don't understand all the complaints about this episode. The writers did a great job.

    The video of the first pilot to get killed by Scar was watched by the pilots. This is were the naming of the ship since it has a scar on it's face (like Omar on The Wire). Starbuck went to speak to Sharon about it. Here we learn that raiders get resurrected and that Scar would most likely have died many times before. Now since the resurrection ship has been destroyed Scar didn't want to premaDIE so he started using a combat style that gave him greater odds.
     
  2. Feb 5, 2006 #62 of 156
    questfortruth

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    I think that's very likely. The cylons are already reluctant to launch large-scale assaults that will result in massive casualties. I expect the writers to develop this theme more fully.
     
  3. Feb 5, 2006 #63 of 156
    mitchb2

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    Exactly. I was looking for Morgan & Wong in the credits. Total ripoff.
     
  4. Feb 5, 2006 #64 of 156
    ahartman

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    I'm still unclear on this one - killing one Raider (legendary reborn ace or not) makes her top gun? Especially when that kill was fed to her?

    I instantly linked Kat to Ana Lucia as well. And I hate Ana Lucia. Therefore I hate Kat.

    Didn't find many redeeming qualities in this ep.
     
  5. Feb 6, 2006 #65 of 156
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    I think it was just to reinforce that Raiders are living entities and not just computer controlled ships.


    I also don't think that the Cylons will be so timid in their attacks for very long. At worst they need to make one long-distance jump back to their home to put in an order for another resurrection ship to be built and sent out. This is assuming that they only built one in the first place. This is a temporary situation that the fleet needs to take immediate advantage of in one way or another.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2006 #66 of 156
    emandbri

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    I thought they had. Anyone else remember them hooking up?

    edited to add: My husband doesn't think so either, he thinks I'm thinking of the time starbuck had sex with Gaius and was fantasizing about appolo.

    Emily
     
  7. Feb 6, 2006 #67 of 156
    Hersheytx

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    Its almost as if the good guys are perfect or the bad guys the worst you get upset. We knew Starbuck liked the guy on Caprica. We knew she gave him her word she would return. How do you not see the connection to her emotions for the guy. Heck when Cain was still alive she was all hyped about returning to the colonies to rescue her friends.
    As for Apollo, maybe I am enjoying the stress of his character, but he is always trying to be the stand up guy. He finally leans on someone not part of his Viper sqad....(which I think is the point). He finds peace in the hooker. In the little girl. Dang it, he just wants a bit of companionship. A bit of peace from all the turmoil.
    I know when you are under stress and can't turn to your team members you find another outlet.
    I think its time you take a step back and see the big picture. Maybe start trying to understand that this episode was another piece in the puzzle about the Cylons.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2006 #68 of 156
    Anubys

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    your husband is correct...this is the first time they've kissed (and grabbed a handful of butt :D )
     
  9. Feb 6, 2006 #69 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The problem is that in both cases (Apollo and Starbuck), they told us that the behavior they displayed in their respective episodes had been going on for a while. But we've been watching the show, and that behavior has NOT been going on. This is just bad writing...if they had thought it out, they could have shown us some signs that this stuff was going on in previous episodes, so it wouldn't just come out of the blue. Obviously, they're not willing to think things out. They just make it up as they go along. And I hads thought this show was better than that--it's very disappointing to find out I was wrong.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2006 #70 of 156
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    I'm on the side that I didn't care for the episode much. Granted it wasn't as bad as last week; however, I'm sick to death of the "non-linear" stuff. To me, it's just a device to fill time when the episode doesn't have enough meat to do so otherwise.

    I'm sorry, but I didn't see that Anders was the "love" of Starbuck's life. So leaving him behind shouldn't have been so traumatic. Certainly nothing along the lines of letting Apollo's brother die because he wasn't cut out to be a pilot (and she faked his certification).

    Kara has never been that sentimental a type since we've been watching the show, so why have her "mooning" about leaving Anders behind now? Totally out of character IMHO.
    No, actually Lee gave her big smack in greeting last season when she returned from a mission where he thought she hadn't made it or something. Nothing sexual, but unexpected enough that she looked surprised.

    I just think the last two episodes have asked us to suspend too much disbelief when it comes to Apollo and Starbuck both. I want character development; not having the writers just decide we're suppose to accept this has been happening for some time.

    Cheryl
     
  11. Feb 6, 2006 #71 of 156
    Skittles

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    A very emphatic +1.

    As a small addition to the above comments, the problem with the Starbuck story isn't the angle they took. In point of fact, it's actually very nice to see Starbuck taken down a few pegs and go from invincible Viper pilot into a softer, more malleable human being that's dealing with a wide variety of emotions that she's never truly faced before. The problem is that there's been almost no clue she's been feeling this way. She made... what was it, two offhand comments to Admiral Ro about Anders and the resistance movement? But aside from that, we've seen relatively bupkis with regards to Starbuck and this emotional wound she's been supposedly carrying for weeks since her return from Caprica. There were no precursors to her pain, and there was no basis for the majority of the audience to truly appreciate her story in the way the writers intended. Had they given us subtle clues over the past few episodes that she was still feeling pain over leaving Anders behind, I can guarantee this episode would have been a lot more pallatable for us.

    Without any kind of foundation or storywork, we're expected to believe she's been nursing this love/pain for Anders for a matter of weeks. Even when she was on Caprica, we only briefly saw the emotional connection between Anders and Kara. But when she left Caprica, she didn't do it with a heavy heart. They haven't shown her with a heavy heart *at all* until this one episode. Never mind the fact that we *know* she's in love with Lee, and never mind the fact that until a few weeks ago Galacticatime, she was still hurting over the loss of Lee's brother Zach. The problem is, they threw us into the episode expecting us to presume way too many emotional issues on Starbuck's part.... issues that haven't been adequately presented to the audience.

    At least with Lee's emotional downward spiral in last week's episode, there have been enough clues since the first season's second episode that it was believable. We know he's been dealing with a lot of ghosts since having to shoot down the Olympic Carrier, we knew he was feeling numb and dead to so many things, and we know that because of hints and clues they've given us over the past two seasons.

    Starbuck's different. If the writers are going to take a character that's not really the emotional type, and throw her into a terribly emotional situation, give us the groundwork and foundation we need to establish credibility.

    But with that said, I figure this is just second season growing pains. On the plus side, Doc Cottle hasn't been replaced by Diana Muldaur, right? I guess I'm willing to cut the writers some slack. Because even mediocre BSG is still better than 98% of the rest of TV programming.
     
  12. Feb 6, 2006 #72 of 156
    speedcouch

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    Exactly the point I was trying to make, but you said it much more eloquently! :up:

    Cheryl
     
  13. Feb 6, 2006 #73 of 156
    jwjody

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    I didn't like the episode that much. Those of you that did you make good points on why it was good, but I still didn't enjoy it.

    I just didn't like that Kat got the kill. I was hoping that Starbuck would do something awesome and kill Scar but she set Kat up for the kill then Kat wants to make Starbuck pour her drink? If Starbuck wouldn't have realized that it was a setup to begin with then Kat would have been dead.

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  14. Feb 6, 2006 #74 of 156
    Bierboy

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    What in the world makes you believe that, just because we've "watched" all the episodes, that it would cover every bit of behaviour in a character? Again, this type of thing is what keeps BG on the edge. I love it.
     
  15. Feb 6, 2006 #75 of 156
    Bierboy

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    Again...this is exactly what makes BG so good...you expected Starbuck would get the kill....but she didn't. And she had to eat crow.
     
  16. Feb 6, 2006 #76 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Even though she's the one who did all the work...
     
  17. Feb 6, 2006 #77 of 156
    Anubys

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    we don't see Starbuck going to the bathroom, but we assume she does...but if she's having internal turmoil that makes her suicidal, alcoholic, and unfit to fly, you'll have to excuse us if we'd like to see that developing over time...

    it would be like Adama and the President being all lovey-dovey and then have them declare war on each other out of the blue at the end of season 1...you have to lay the groundwork for things...they did it in season 1, they're not doing it now...
     
  18. Feb 6, 2006 #78 of 156
    PJO1966

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    In the podcast, Moore mentioned a couple of scenes that were shot and scrapped. It seems to me that this example of non-linear editing seemed to solve the problem of having to fill the hour after cutting those scenes. They just showed the same footage over.
     
  19. Feb 6, 2006 #79 of 156
    hefe

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    It wasn't supposed to be all of them...she rattled off what she could remember. Lee stepped to complete the list with "all of them." The significance was that she had said earlier that she didn't even remember their names. Another attempt to cover her emotions. That's part of why she's such an emotional wreck. She denies her feelings and puts up a strong appearance...until that catches up with her.
     
  20. Feb 6, 2006 #80 of 156
    questfortruth

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    Starbuck's actions and feelings were entirely consistent with her character. The fleet has been in the same place for awhile, she's had time to reflect on her feelings and the pain has started to show. How is that inconsistent or bad writing?

    Remember how excited she was when Caine suggested that they should go back to Caprica and kick the Cylons off it? That raised her hopes up that she might see Anders again, and subsequent events crushed those hopes.

    She's dealing with the pain now, because she has had to accept- finally- that he's gone. That's why the writers included a scene at the "memorial" deck on Galactica- with all the photos of the dead and flowers. It also explains the scene at the end, where Kara recites the names of some of the dead pilots.

    Again, entirely consistent. And compelling.
     

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