Battlestar Galactica 2/03/2006 (S02E15) "Scar"

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  1. Feb 5, 2006 #41 of 156
    windracer

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    I hope Beano was a Viper pilot because with a callsign like that, I wouldn't want to be in a Raptor with him! :eek:

    So, in the "previously on BSG" segment they showed Starbuck "killing" and capturing the Cylon raider she then left on Caprica (and was stolen by one of the Six models, IIRC). Are we to assume that was a prior incarnation of Scar? Or was that just to remind us that the raiders are Cylons themselves and not just ships?
     
  2. Feb 5, 2006 #42 of 156
    cthomp

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    Even the producer in his pod cast about last weeks episode said he didn't like it.
     
  3. Feb 5, 2006 #43 of 156
    dswallow

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    Did he mention if he liked this episode at all?
     
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    vertigo235

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    dswallow

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    hehe... it stands out... outside, in the rain, on a dirt road, stuck in the middle of a muddy puddle, with a 1946 Ford Pickup barrelling down directly towards it.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2006 #46 of 156
    vertigo235

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    Maybe he ment it "stands out" as a "not so good episode" and the other episode that "stands out" is last week's episode :)
     
  7. Feb 5, 2006 #47 of 156
    questfortruth

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    Hey, I know where you can buy an inexpensive DVD with the complete "Galactica 1980" series :eek:

    Moore indicated in the previous podcast that he really liked this week's episode.

    He should- it's great.
     
  8. Feb 5, 2006 #48 of 156
    emandbri

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    I didn't like it either. I'm not sure what is going on but up until the last two episodes this really was my fav show.

    Emily
     
  9. Feb 5, 2006 #49 of 156
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    I thought it was boring and to me the show is loosing all its momentum. I really loved season 2.0 until the pegasus showed up. It seams since the pegusus showed up the main arc has not moved 1 bit. The 1 character episodes in lost work because a lot of them move the main story along at the same time. This week was a complete mess jumping here and there and every were. I really hope they start moving the main story arc again before I am not interested any more.

    If the cyclone raiders are now cowards since they can die why has not the pegusus and galactica taken it to the now vulnerble cyclons?
     
  10. Feb 5, 2006 #50 of 156
    cheesesteak

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    I thought this was a pretty good episode. I'm tired of the non-linear story telling, but other than that, I thought it was exciting and riveting. Cat may be obnoxious, but she was totally right in her evaluation of Starbuck. She has the same disdain for Starbuck that Starbuck rightfully has for Tighe.

    Did Scar have a scar or some distinguishing feature? I've never heard them talk about Cylon raiders as individuals - or is that one of the "out of the blue" elements people are complaining about.

    Wouldn't it be more realistic if Helo were ostracized on Galactica? He has fraternized with the enemy and wants to continue to do so.

    Anybody know the name of the song that played during Starbuck's and Helo's boxing workout at the end? Cavatina? I'm pretty sure I have a version of that song somewhere. Gotta check the archives.
     
  11. Feb 5, 2006 #51 of 156
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The problem is, she's only "right" because of Starbuck's behavior in THIS episode. Just like last week, they've suddenly established that a character has been doing stuff all along that we haven't been seeing.

    In the actual show, Starbuck has been pretty much fine since she returned from Caprica--we haven't seen her drinking to excess, we haven't seen her job performance suffer (in fact, she was impressive enough to be promoted and picked as CAG by Admiral Ro, who seemed to have MUCH higher standards for her people's performance than Adama). But now we're suddenly expected to believe that all this bad stuff was going on all along, and nobody noticed.

    Yeah, right. Sorry, but it's becoming more and more clear that the writers are just making it up as they go along. Between their mallable characters, who suddenly adopt new traits because this week's story demands it, and their botched science, this is becoming more and more like Star Trek. Which, I suppose, is fine for Star Trek (although that sort of thing is one reason I never really cottoned to it), but BG seemed to aspire to being genuinely good science fiction in the early days, and it's a major disappointment that instead, it's just space fantasy--like virtually all TV "sci-fi" ends up being.

    (It's also a little bizarre that Cat has gone from being somebody who has never been in a Viper before to the tied-for-best pilot in the fleet in a matter of months.)
     
  12. Feb 5, 2006 #52 of 156
    ovr8ted

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    The Good:

    Better than last week. Using a previous story (Resurrection Ship) in another story. Starbuck (and Lee) in skimpy outfits :D . Cat/Kat character development (she is now a good pilot).

    The Bad:

    Is anyone else on board this thing called "Galactica"? Where are we heading? Another non-linear episode.

    The Ugly:

    Instant character traits. Writing seriously losing me. Recent episodes making it hard for me to brag to people about what a great show this really is.

    Verdict:

    I'll still watch this show faithfully each week. It is a standout amongst garbage, however, I find it less compelling to have to watch live. It is disappointing to see it taking a path often traveled, and I am hoping they are just using these episodes to given them time to revamp the main story arcs and give us 10 solid episodes in the future.
     
  13. Feb 5, 2006 #53 of 156
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    :up: Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here and say I thought this was a good episode. Not as amazing as BSG's best, but then again the best of this show is a very high standard indeed. I disagree with the comments others have made about Starbuck's behavior seemingly coming out of nowhere. I think it is true to life that one can suppress a traumatic experience (like having to leave a lover behind), especially given how busy she's been. The entire Pegasus arc kept her completely occupied. When would she have had time to grieve? That this would be a delayed emotional reaction also seems to be in character given everything we've learned about her before. For instance, when did her former fiance die and didn't that emotional maelstrom peak seemingly much after the event?

    Also, I really appreciated her calling out the names of the dead pilots at the end. That was the episode's highest point. This show is brave to recall those sacrifices and keep bringing the viewers back to the flip side of all that bravery. It was a bracing reminder that every "cool" fx explosion came with a price. And it particularly paid off Kat's exuberance at her own kill and made the entire seemingly insignificant battle with a single scarred Cylon raider have meaning.
     
  14. Feb 5, 2006 #54 of 156
    questfortruth

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    The writers are opting for non-linear narratives and story arcs, and for good reason.

    The colonials have seen their entire civilization wiped out, and their new "home" is deep space. What does a lunar or solar calendar signify, when all of your home planets and suns have been wiped out? After a while you lose track of what day/week/month it is. In their case, you even start to lose track of your comrades who have been killed.

    I think that the writers have done an excellent job of conveying that sense of complete disconnect. All that keeps these characters going is their pathos...and as soon as they have a chance to reflect on what they've been through, they have to deal with their respective traumas head-on (read: excessive drinking, hookers, etc).

    That's why this episode makes perfect sense. There's no stardate to tell us how long it's been since the last episode, and we don't need one. There's no "ETA" for when they'll find Earth, and as Kara explained to Lee in this episode, they don't expect to live to see it.

    It's self-contained episodes such as this one, which move away from the overarching series narratives, that will make or break this series. If the writers spend every episode trying to disclose details about the Cylon "master plan," or showing us how the Galactica's jump technology works, then before long the series will exhaust itself. Think "X-files" after the writers tried to explain the alien-government conspiracy. It worked well as a vague, creepy background theme, but seemed incredibly stupid once elaborated fully.

    Besides, when Kara and Kat confronted each other in the briefing room, I kept thinking that they might break into a spontaneous make-out session :D
     
  15. Feb 5, 2006 #55 of 156
    ovr8ted

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    I'll half agree with you. Of course, when I go to a pizza parlor, I usually want pizza. Some other fine Italian cuisine is OK once in a while, but you'd better believe I'm looking for pizza at least every other trip ;) Of course, I'm pretty simple eat poorly :D
     
  16. Feb 5, 2006 #56 of 156
    dcheesi

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    Like a lot of people, I think that this episode suffered by airing after Black Market. Unlike BM, the flashback story device was well executed in this one; yet the memory of its use in BM made me groan when I saw it. Likewise, Kara's little meltdown seemed like deja vu of last week. Actually I think this ep should have come sooner, so there'd be more of an obvious connection with the Caprica episodes in the first half of the season. Then Kara's crap wouldn't seem so out of the blue; it actually makes perfect sense, except that so much has happened in between...
     
  17. Feb 5, 2006 #57 of 156
    dcheesi

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    It was supposed to be all of them. However, she mentioned the one who died after his 1000th flight, but AFAICT she didn't mention the large number of pilots who went up in the same explosion (the loading deck mishap)??
     
  18. Feb 5, 2006 #58 of 156
    mportuesi

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    I'm not down on this episode nearly as much as some of the other folks here. It's all about Starbuck.

    It has been established in previous episodes that she's one to hit the bottle, and she also left behind someone important to her on Caprica. So for me, her behavior is not as "out of the blue" as last week, when we discover Lee's been hanging out with hookers.

    Starbuck is facing some serious problems, and as a result she ends up losing her "top gun" spot in the viper fleet. That has to hurt. Plus, no one's mentioned the "quick lay" scene with Lee, which further develops the relationship between those two characters. I've been wondering for a while why the two of them haven't jumped in the sack together before now. So that definitely wasn't out of the blue for me.

    Some people don't like the idea of the cylon raiders having individual souls, but I was intrigued by the idea of their reincarnation, and the tactical and strategic implications it means for the Colonial resistance. Basically, they wanted to retell the Red Baron story in the context of BSG.

    That said, I could do without another episode that begins, "88 hours ago...."

    Overall, I liked the epsiode despite its flaws.
     
  19. Feb 5, 2006 #59 of 156
    zalusky

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    The thing is now the Cylons are essentially individual souls since they cant reincarnate.

    Maybe a possible Lord of the flies degradation of their society perhaps!
    Everybody out for themselves.
     
  20. Feb 5, 2006 #60 of 156
    Bierboy

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    Maybe because she was engaged to his dead brother?
     

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