Battlestar Galactica 1/13/06 S2E12 Resurrection Ship Part 2

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  1. jfjellstad

    jfjellstad New Member

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    I'm sorry, but you're wrong. As someone mentioned in this thread somewhere, the first thing Baltar did when he came aboard Galactica was to remove the update. The virus was broadcast by the Cylon attack forces, but the software update itself was an update to the defence network (with a backdoor for the Cylons as introduced by Six). I'm guessing the reason the older fighters never got updated was because they were never intended to be flown into combat (they were museum pieces when they got put into service)

    If there was no update, there wouldn't be a reason for Six to get involved with Baltar, to get access to the defence software. And Baltar wouldn't be so afraid of people finding out that he helped the Cylons get access to the defence software.
     
  2. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    Yup. That's what Moore said.
     
  3. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    No kidding?? Wow. And it was played so well by both of them, too.
     
  4. kmccbf

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    You may be right, I'm operating from memory, I haven't watched the first season since it aired. I do remember clearly a discussion that Adama refused to let the Galatica's computers be networked to the whole system, I believe his words, were "not while I'm in command." - If they received the update they received manually, not via the network. They made a big deal about his refusal to link via the network. I thought it was a spying device that Baltar removed. I do remember him removing the update from some of the new vipers, but not from the battlestar itself. As I said, I'm operating from memory, so it may not be accurate.
     
  5. dcheesi

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

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    Actually Apollo had an old Mark II during the attack, but his (unlike the others) had been specially retrofitted with the same "modern" equipment used in the Mark VIIs. Even so, it was never clear to me whether he got taken out by the 'virus' (really a remote-triggered trojan) or from the explosion/debris when he hit those first raiders(?). (If it was the virus, why didn't it kick before he engaged the enemy, as with the other compromised fighters?).

    BTW, I think the whole point of the trojan was that the Colonials had hardened their systems and limited networking to the point that a simple virus/worm wouldn't be able to propagate to all systems in a timely manner. The fighters in particular are probably non-networked (externally). So they had to get the malicious code installed into each system ahead of time, which could then be triggered by a remote code fed into the navigation computer via ships' sensors.
     
  6. LlamaLarry

    LlamaLarry Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Man, I guess I missed the whole Cylon attack and disable was predicated on the insertion of a Trojan Horse/backdoor put there by Baltar. I always figured he gave out access codes that caused the defense system outage and that all other networked computing was disrupted by direct Cylon attacks/infections.

    I too was baffled how Pegasus had been raiding Cylon bases since the attack on Caprica and was able to join in on the attack with the Resurrection Ship.

    When Gaeta set up firewalls to prevent infection last season was he doing something special that forced the Cylons to try and penetrate or are they "always trying"?
     
  7. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    At some point Baltar has to prove he is superior to the cylons and can't be manipulated so easily. As he gains more knowledge of them he may also be able to manipulate them and at this point I wonder if his initial reason for joining them later might be to call them off. Wouldn't it be a twist if Baltar turns out to be a good guy working from the other side?
     
  8. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I'm almost positive that when he arrived in his viper it was one of the new Mark VII versions. Remember, he was not stationed on the BSG, he was only there for the ceremony.

    I'll have to pull out the DIVX disk and check! :)
     
  9. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    You are correct.
     
  10. Jonathan_S

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    The writers haven't chosen to make the method of Cylon attack perfectly clear and consistent.

    What we do know is that Baltar did slip a backdoor into the Colonial Defense network, which allowed the Cylons to rapidly crash or shutdown the computers on the Battlestars and Vipers during their initial attack.

    Additionally, it seems that the Cylons constantly mount electronic warfare attacks on any Colonial networks that they can find. These attacks don't have the advantage of a built in back door, but are still apparently extremely effective at attacking Colonial systems.

    When Gaeta set up the firewalls, it was because he was networking computers that normally (per Adama's orders) only operated in a standalone fashion. By connecting them in a network, they somehow became vulnerable to Cylon hacking, and the firewalls were an attempt to slow this hacking to buy time for the necessary processing to be completed.

    (This explanation still leaves some unclear issues. One is how an network totally internal to Galactica provides any vector of attack to the Cylons. Another is how Pegasus, which presumably had a network [although probably one without Baltar's backdoor inserted] was able to survive Cylon hacking attempts).
     
  11. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    Apollo arrived at Galactica in his loaner Mark VII Viper. However, during the decommision ceremony, as well as during his trip to escort Roslin back to Caprica, he was flying his father's old Mark II Viper, which the Chief and his crew had found in a junkyard and restored back to its original condition.
     
  12. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    Actually, I'm 99.9999999% sure that it wasn't Baltar that installed the backdoor, but Six (the original Six on Caprica that he was sleeping with). She made comments in the miniseries and again in the first season that Baltar gave her carte blanche access to the Colonial Defense Mainframe in exchange for help with his research.
     
  13. Stormspace

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    The only explaination I can think of is that the mainframes were connected wirelessly or that some of them were connected wirelessly since Gaeta pulls the plug at the end of the show. Another option might be if one of the computers was a tactical computer that collects data from the vipers. Normally it's isolated but this time wasn't. And there's always the possibility I know absolutely nothing. :)
     
  14. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I'm watching it right now. I'm not sure what you mean by "loaner" because the Mark VII he arrived in had his insignia plate with his call sign on it and everything.

    However, you're right about him having the Mark II during the ceromony and during the escort.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    Probably the best explanation is that computers are roughly equivalent to magic to the writers, who assume that if computers are networked they're vulnerable to hackers.

    It's been pretty clear all along that the writers know absolutely nothing about networking.
     
  16. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    Oh, just a screw-up in terminology on my part. I just meant that Lee's Viper is "on loan" to Galactica from whatever ship/base he was stationed at previously.

    Come to think of it, we never really find out where he was and what he was doing before the decommission ceremony, do we?
     
  17. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    So, basically... "if you see something you can't explain, a wizard did it."?

    And ironically enough, Lucy Lawless is a guest star on the show. :D
     
  18. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    Good point... I never thought of that... He never showed any concern for whoever he was stationed with before.
     
  19. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Not that I recall, maybe we'll find out more this season.
     
  20. NoThru22

    NoThru22 Smelly Pirate Hooker

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    Darn it, I've been wading through about ten posts on the subject, ready to correct it, but you beat me to it. I hate long workdays!
     

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