Battlestar Galactica 1/13/06 S2E12 Resurrection Ship Part 2

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  1. Jan 16, 2006 #81 of 143

    Tsiehta Active Member

    Jul 22, 2002


    I must have missed this too. Does this mean that Only Pegasus received the update, but the rest of the fleet did not?
  2. Jan 16, 2006 #82 of 143
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Perhaps part of the reason is that the writing is good enough that they pull it off--the back-downs are plausible.
    I think that's been largely the case up until now (although I still believe there are two Cylon factions, one that wants to wipe out the human race, and one that wants to whittle them down but use the survivors). But I'll be they never saw the attack this week coming! That might shake things up a bit in the Cylon world...
  3. Jan 16, 2006 #83 of 143
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Other way around. The update is what allowed the Cylons access to the ship systems. Pegasus did NOT get the update; everybody esle (except the obsolete Galactica) DID.
  4. Jan 16, 2006 #84 of 143

    generalpatton71 Open,Flash and clear

    Oct 30, 2002
    Oh I was a big B5 fan back in the day. I however didn;t get into the short lived mini series. I also watched the ranger movie even though it went up against one of the greatest NFL games of all time (Patriots vs Raiders in the snow bowl).

    Now in terms of the space battles.We can over think these things sometimes. Something to also remember though is theres a big difference between battleplans for protecting huge numbers of unarmed ships, and having two heavily armed war ships surprising and attacking another fleet.

    If some of you guys don't like the show or just this episode. i don't know what to tell you but go watch Jar Jar binks or something because all shows on TV should strive for this type of quality.

    I'd also like to say vikinguy if you re-read my proir poast I was saying the show was about a entire fleet trying to find earth not just BSG. Sometimes my posts can be confusing and disjointed so I aplogize for that. If you guys are fans of BSG you should make a point to see the very short lived original when it apears on scifi again. It truly is a poor mans star trek and star wars, but you can get a better idea about what still drives some the show today.
  5. Jan 16, 2006 #85 of 143

    5thcrewman Active Member

    Sep 22, 2003


    Remember- "Two for flinching!"
  6. Jan 16, 2006 #86 of 143

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

    Apr 6, 2001
    MD, USA
    I don't know, I certainly wasn't expecting Caine to back off, and I had to go back and "retcon" an explanation for it. In the previous episode, it did not sound like this was a contingency plan for her; she was committed. And I saw nothing in this episode that should have changed her mind.

    BTW, If she suspected the plot with Starbuck (and I think she did, at least by the end of the phone call), then that would be more reason to eliminate Adama as a threat. Just because he backed down this time doesn't mean he wouldn't try again the next time she p*ssed him off...
  7. Jan 16, 2006 #87 of 143

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    You people should really listen to the podcasts. ;)

    The battle itself was not the focus of the show, as Ron Moore, the producer says. It is about the characters, and the moral dilemmas and the power struggle going on in the fleet. He says specifically says it's not about showing footage of Vipers launching for the 50th time, that gets old, doing the same thing over and over again. The battle is important from the point of view of the human fleet, but not the emphasis of the story they are telling at the moment.

    Another thing mentioned in the podcast. That story was the inspiration for showing the battle from that perspective. Again, they wanted to do something different, not just the same old battle shots. They were also going to show Apollo floating amongst other refuse of the battle, including dead bodies. After shooting some of that, they decided that it didn't work, and scrapped that part.

    That wasn't Gina, that was Six. ;) Moore consistently calls the Six in Baltar's head Gina, and the one on the Pegasus, just Six.

    But on the escape, his comments are kind of funny. I'm trying to remember the exact words, but it was along the lines of..."How did Six get off the ship? I don't know...Baltar helped her, or did something...who the f*** cares?"
  8. Jan 16, 2006 #88 of 143

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

    Mar 5, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA

    My guess is that first he witnessed the entire human race nearly obliterated. He found some sanity and solace in the President and to some degree his father. Then he discovers that not only did his father order a hit on Caine, but it was the President's idea. I think that sent him over the edge.
  9. Jan 16, 2006 #89 of 143

    Redux No intent to annoy

    Oct 19, 2004
    Particularly since she had previously been very close to Caine (my opinion).
  10. Jan 16, 2006 #90 of 143

    Kevdog New Member

    Apr 18, 2001
    Great ep. A couple of thoughts:

    - Regarding Gina (Pegasus 6) and, for lack of a better distinction, the 6 in Baltar's head (I was going to call her Head 6, but...;))Anyone else think that Gina may end up being one of the "conflicted" Cylons, a la Bun in the Oven Boomer? I know that previously it was surmised that Boomer's tendency to sympathize with humans was a trait specific to her "model," but maybe it's not that simple... Gina's willingness to die and sacrifice the resurrection ships is very interesting.

    - Someone else raised this issue earlier (though I don't think it was clearly understood), but isn't it odd that Adama and Roslin are now so close hard on the heels of her trying to usurp his authority and him, essentially, leading a coup? (Cue Rob: "It wasn't a coup!"). Seems really strange to me.

    - I see some potential conflict brewing between Starbuck and Adama. Clearly she's very loyal to him, but she was also beginning to develop a great deal of admiration for Caine. Her eulogy indicated that she thought Caine's death was a serious blow to the Colonials and that her toughness would be sorely missed in the long run. I sensed that perhaps she was questioning whether Adama was willing to make the very hard choices. Also, anyone else sense that maybe her tone suggested that she didn't think Gina's escape and Caine's assasination were accidental?

    - Also, someone posted a question earlier about why Apollo wanted to die. I think the answer is simple: he's tired of the constant fight to survive with no end in sight.
  11. Jan 16, 2006 #91 of 143

    jfjellstad New Member

    May 6, 2002
    San Jose, CA
    Actually, I think the BSG did get the update. Remember, Galactica's main fighter squadron got destroyed in the opening fight. OK, the Galactica itself probably didn't get updated because of obsolete hardware, but what could be upgraded probably was.
  12. Jan 16, 2006 #92 of 143

    lord-dogbert New Member

    Jan 30, 2005
    Fontana, Ca
    As for pegsix access to Caine's quarters:
    She took the guards weapon and his fob for accessing the ships doors. Since he's in security he has access to all areas of the ship. It probably wasn't all that hard for pegsic to move around the ship seeming as lots of people were busy attending to damage. There are lots of nooks and crannies in the battlestar hallways to hide in. She used to be a crew member so she knows the ships layout.

    Software updates:
    Pegasus did not receive Baltars updated navaigation code, nor did her vipers. The Galactica on the other hand did have her Viper's software updated which is why they all got wiped out in the first episode. The Galactica had to of recently departed spacedock since her Starboard pod was converted to the museum. They must've updated the Viper software at that time. Galactica did receive the software update as well because the first thing that Baltar does upon arrival is back the update out. Galactica herself just wasn't close enough to the combat theatre yet to be affected. Then again, Galactica has no network so that must be key for the Cylon exploit to work.

    Caine leaving the bridge:
    Any good leader is a delegator, you delegate to people you trust and follow up with them as needed. There was no indication of time as well. Caine's neck was obviously sore in CIC and more so in her quarters so this leads me to believe that there was time in between. Furthermore, look at US Naval ships where the Admiral's flag resides. The Admiral usually doesn't get involved in daily ships activity unless it's major. Her CIC is also much smaller than Galactica's so I think that she was on the Admiral's bridge and actual ships functions were run from the regular CIC.

    Pegasus XO on Galactica in CIC:
    If I were Adama I would really have to question why the XO from the Pegasus was on my ship, his function is to back up HIS commander.

    The kiss:
    No one mentions this yet but that was an interesting lip to lip kiss between Admiral Adama and the President. He is going to be crushed when she dies. The President is a major character so perhaps Baltar will find a way of moving her brain into a Cylon model. Imagine being Hot and President of the colonies. Perhaps Sharon's baby holds the cure to cancer since it's a hybrid :D

    The starboard hanger:
    When is someone going to start converting this pod back to operational status. All it takes is one Cylon kamikaze and the Galactica's flight ops are down. Granted they have been busy but I would at least work on recovery capability.

    Stealth ship:
    They'll build another one, especially now with the engineer on board :up:
  13. Jan 16, 2006 #93 of 143

    Zen98031 New Member

    Sep 29, 2005
    Just going to throw out a thought I have floating in my head for everybody else to see.

    We have not seen a big attack by the Cylons on the fleet in a while. Before now any kind of prolonged battle would be a little unbelievable because Galactica's fighters are in such low numbers. But now they have a whole mess of fighters and I predict that despite the loss of their Resurrection ship they will come at the fleet harder than ever now. They pretty much have too, otherwise we have a show about a fleet trying to make it to Earth without any outside danger and that is just not up to the standard that BSG has set so far. Though when the Cylons do attack, Galatica and Pegasus will be ready for it and I have a feeling we will see that epic space battle some here have said they wish they saw with this episode.

  14. Jan 16, 2006 #94 of 143

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    this is actually wat makes he show great...just look at current one cares if hundreds of "them" die. But if one of "us"'s a tragedy...perfectly "human"...

    when a cylon dies, where is it downloaded and then sent to the resurrection ship? that's what the crew should be researching...there must be some sort of communication going on...
  15. Jan 16, 2006 #95 of 143

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    How'd the Pegasus crew discover Gina was a Cylon? Crappy memory. Sorry.
  16. Jan 16, 2006 #96 of 143

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

    May 25, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    IIRC, Gina performed (or attempted to perform) some act of sabotage on the Pegasus. They never really explain how they find out she's not just an actual saboteur, but a Cylon. I'd wager it's something Lieutenant Thorne found out in interrogation.
  17. Jan 16, 2006 #97 of 143

    vikingguy New Member

    Aug 11, 2005

    If battles are completely meaningless then why make a show that takes place on a battleship where 90% of the major characters are warriors. Hell whats next making a crime scene show where they don't solve crimes but sit around and have orgies or scheme ways to win in office politics.

    B5 also did a battle from a different perspective from a couple of maintenance guys. The difference is B5 did this special episode with an every day battle BSG did thier idea on the biggest battle of the series.

    I love when the head of the show says who the **** cares about a major plot point.

    Being almost every character is a warrior I think watching and seeing how they react during major combat mission would give a lot of insite into thier character.
  18. Jan 16, 2006 #98 of 143

    mportuesi As seen on TV

    Nov 10, 2002

    Bingo. In the scene between Lee and Adama, Lee seems visibly shaken when he learns the hit on Caine was the President's idea. Like he was betrayed or disillusioned. Like the last thing left he could put his trust in had gone.
  19. Jan 16, 2006 #99 of 143

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

    Apr 6, 2001
    MD, USA
    Eh, I chalked it up mostly to hypoxia myself. The fatigue and disorientation could easily lead to the sort disassociated apathy he felt. Normally I wouldn't read too much into it, but of course this is the kind of show where everything is important (gun-in-the-drawer rule), so who knows?
  20. kmccbf

    kmccbf New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    Bloomington, IN

    BSG did not get the update, Adama, remembering the old run in with the Cylons refused to alow the ship to have it's computers tied to the colonial network because he was one of the few concerned that the Cylons might come back and they had worked through the network before.

    If I remember right, it was not an update, but a virus that was broadcast through the network that disabled all of the battle fleet. BSG had a few old fighters, not tied to the network, and even fewer new fighters that were tied to the network, there for the decommision ceremony. The new fighters were disabled when the virus was sent.

    Pegasus was in dry dock, with their computers down for servicing. Thus no virus was sent. Seeing what happened, she most likely did not reconnect your computers to the network.

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