Battlestar Galactica 1/13/06 S2E12 Resurrection Ship Part 2

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  1. Jan 15, 2006 #61 of 143
    Anubys

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    that's the main question, isn't it?

    either the spylons can communicate with the base ships, or they can't...peg/six knew that the humans know of the resurrection ship (and I assume a yet-unknown spylon also knew)...if spylons are not in contact with the base ships, the surprise attack would be indeed a surprise...

    but if spylons CAN communicate, then the cylons let the humans destroy the resurrection ship + 2 basestars...

    all indications (Six being angry that the resurrection ship would be destroyed) are that the spylons are not in constant contact...
     
  2. Jan 15, 2006 #62 of 143
    brenrher

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    No, you're not. :)
     
  3. Jan 15, 2006 #63 of 143
    dcheesi

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    Keep in mind, PegSix wanted the ship destroyed, so she wouldn't have been broadcasting warnings. And Boomer2 was kept out of the loop. So it would have been down to the undiscovered agents in the fleet to warn them, and since we don't know who they are*, we don't know if they were in a position to give substantive information on the attack...

    (* The reporter is presumably on a civilian ship, and certainly wouldn't have classified access. But one has to wonder about the decoy ships, and whether word would have leaked in the civilian fleet from there?)
     
  4. Jan 15, 2006 #64 of 143
    mportuesi

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    If the only thing you were looking for was an epic space battle, then you are absolutely right.

    After watching the show, I also realized that an epic space battle between Galactica, Pegasus, and the Basestars was little more than a sideshow in the scheme of the episode. As others have pointed out, that's because the writers were focusing on the characters, and the struggle between them. The writers consciously made that choice, because they knew the human conflict is more compelling than even an epic space battle.

    And that's what sets BSG apart from nearly all other science fiction on TV, except Babylon 5. If all BSG had were spaceships and guns, it would have little to distinguish it from most of the dreck which passes for "sci-fi" on TV.

    If you let go of your desire for big explosions, and accept this episode on its own terms, you'll realize that for dramatic impact it's right up there with anything from Babylon 5 (my own gold standard for TV SF before BSG appeared).
     
  5. Jan 15, 2006 #65 of 143
    mportuesi

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    If this aspect of BSG appeals to you, then you absolutely owe it to yourself to watch Babylon 5. B5 pioneered the multi-season story arc in television SF, paving the way for shows like BSG. Like BSG, it is very character-driven, where characters deal with the consequences of their actions, and every victory has its cost.

    It's available on DVD and is well worth it. I think that the SciFi channel might also carry it, and you can TiVo it via a Season Pass, but to be enjoyed properly (and to avoid some major spoilers) you must see it from the beginning. Be prepared; the first half of Season 1 might be a little slow to sit through. But by the end of the first season you will be hooked.
     
  6. Jan 15, 2006 #66 of 143
    Anubys

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    you're right...but I'm willing to bet there's a spylon on the Galactica bridge (*cough* Gaeta *cough*)...and others as well...

    it also means that Six in Baltar's head is not in contact with the fleet or beaming herself to him...

    and it means that spylons "in general" are not in a constant contact with the base stars.

    unless they LET the humans do this, of course! ;)
     
  7. Jan 15, 2006 #67 of 143
    bobino

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    I'm interested in following this recommendation. I never saw any B5. I have a subscription to Netflix and see there are 5 seasons and five other things. Can anyone make a viewing order suggestion?

    Babylon 5: Season 1 (6-Disc Series) (1994)
    Babylon 5: Season 2 (6-Disc Series) (1994)
    Babylon 5: Season 3 (6-Disc Series) (1995)
    Babylon 5: Season 4 (6-Disc Series) (1996)
    Babylon 5: Season 5 (6-Disc Series) (1998)

    Babylon 5: The Gathering (1993)
    Babylon 5: Thirdspace (1998)
    Babylon 5: The River of Souls (1998)
    Babylon 5: In the Beginning (1998)
    Babylon 5: A Call to Arms (1999)

    I'm thinking year of production but that idea falls apart in 1998.

    Thanks for any tips.

    -Bob
     
  8. Jan 15, 2006 #68 of 143
    spelcheker

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    I've been out of the loop for a few months, so forgive me if this has been brought up, but has anything been mentioned on the show about how Pegasus's fighters WEREN'T taken out by the Cylon virus attacks? They appear to be the new model fighters that were vulnerable.

    Did I just miss something?
     
  9. Jan 15, 2006 #69 of 143
    Rob Helmerichs

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    There's nothing in the movies that you need for the series, and the first movie spoils things that happen in the series, so the simplest thing would be to watch the series first, then the movies.

    Or, you could go to epguides.com to see the original air-dates of the series and movies, and watch accordingly.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2006 #70 of 143
    mportuesi

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    Agreed. The first movie, "In the Beginning", is a prequel shot after the original series aired. It is definitely a spoiler if you haven't seen the series. The series creator pretty assumes you've seen the series, even though the events in the story precede it.

    Best bet, like Rob said, is to start with Season 1, Episode 1. Save the movies until after you've seen the series.

    Sorry for hijacking a BSG thread to talk B5, but folks who like one series are likely to like the other.
     
  11. Jan 16, 2006 #71 of 143
    jwjody

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    Is the 6 in Gaius head just that, in his head? I thought earlier this season or last it was very heavily suggested that she was an implant. But this time...Peg6 didn't recognize the story that Baltar told her about going to Pyramid games. Then when he told her the story 6 went away. I thought it was because Baltar figured out she was a figment of his imagination, but now he has the real thing.

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  12. Jan 16, 2006 #72 of 143
    vertigo235

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    Yes you did, they were in "drydock" or whatever, preparing to receive the latest upgrades (which included the virus), but didn't receive them before the attack.

    The BSG of course didn't get any updates because it was about to be decommissioned.
     
  13. Jan 16, 2006 #73 of 143
    dcheesi

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    Probably not. And that's assuming she really isn't just a figment of his imagination ;)

    But the cylons would have to be in contact range in order for the resurrection ship to be useful. So we're back to the agents either not knowing enough about the attack, or a decision not to use the information lest it give away their presence (or even their location; they have to be transmitting a signal of some sort, which could theoretically be detected).

    This isn't the first time that the cylon's communication ability has been handled in a seemingly inconsistent way, though. The more I think about it, the more I believe that this is one of those "it's just a show" things, where the writers sacrifice logical continuity in favor of a compelling storyline.
     
  14. Jan 16, 2006 #74 of 143
    Amnesia

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    I had thought that the result was that she was neither (whatever that means).

    He had the doctor scan for a chip and didn't find one, right? That suggests it's not a chip. However Six told him things that he had no way of knowing and they turned out to be true. That suggests that she's not just his imagination.
     
  15. Jan 16, 2006 #75 of 143
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    B5 did the battles right when they had them they did not half ass it like this episode did. Also what really went on both cain and adama chickened out so there was nothing to all that. The dramatic impact of this episode was not 1/1000 of severed dreams. Guess what severed dreams was character driven with an epic halacious battle. How good would of severed dreams been if B5 and the churchill whipped the floor easily with the earth force destroyers? It would of sucked all the drama out of the episode including an incredible ending and after math.

    It is not the big explosions it is the intensity of the battle. It is the comand staff trying to out wit the enemy. The solders trying to carry out orders against impossible odds. It is seeing things up close and personal the battle ment nothing to the viewer because it was so easy and did not get to see the struggle.


    What was character driven about this episode? The writers took the cheap and easy way out of everything. The battlestars whiped the floor with 2 basestars. Adama and cain each chickened out. Gina was some how supposed to sneak around a battle ship with 1000s of officers undetected. Hell the cyclons are complete morons for letting the resurection ship hang around while 2 battlestars showed up.


    The pegasus did not take any real damage or else cain would of not left the bridge soon as the battle was over.
     
  16. Jan 16, 2006 #76 of 143
    Warren

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    I wonder if Caine could have stuck around for a few more episodes.

    Also How come Lee wanted to die? YOu know he said he didn't want to come back alive.
     
  17. Jan 16, 2006 #77 of 143
    Hersheytx

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    First about SPylons. Was it not shown that they do not communicate directly with the baseships. Only on their deaths is the information they carry downloaded to the main computer.
    But also the episode with the spylon reporter. They use a cylon fighter to sacrifice itself to get the information from the reporter and boost it back to the main cylon fleet.
    This shows that they have to be close to get information or they need to die and release to the rebirth ship.
    Now that the rebirth ship is destroyed, they have killed two problems with one bullet. No more cylons downloading information when they die to the cylon fleet and scaring the human cylons from taking risks that get them killed.
    Now its an even playing field.

    Did anyone think it was ironic that Gina was whining about all the Cylons going to be killed in the upcoming battle? I mean thousands of cylons vs billions of humans in the first miniseires. She really was crying for their lives.....it just seem so unreal.

    Also how long before Guise becomes acting President and helps lead the Humans into an ambush. Might be how Pegesus gets its final episode. Just a thought.
     
  18. Jan 16, 2006 #78 of 143
    cheesesteak

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    I thought this was a great episode until the end, when Gina assassinated Caine. Unless Adm Caine's quarters were around the corner from Gina's cell, there's no way Gina would know where they were, let alone know how to get there undetected. Wouldn't Gina need a "key" or a passcode to get into Caine's quarters?

    Starbuck's "without flinching" comment sure seemed like a knock at Adama. If she eally thought that, why was she sweating bullets when it was time for her to whack Caine? She was sweating more than Shaq.
     
  19. Jan 16, 2006 #79 of 143
    bryan314

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    The Gina on the ship was a crewmember of Pegasus. She'd know the layout of the ship.
     
  20. Jan 16, 2006 #80 of 143
    NoThru22

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    I'm suprised more people aren't mad at how the show backed down from such huge cliffhangers. At the end of Pegasus the ships launch, but then at the beginning of Ressurection Ship they just play chicken for a few minutes. Then the big cliffhanger of the two leaders trying to kill each other, and then they back down. I don't have a problem with this. It makes the characters human, but I expected a lot more bitching.

    The only thing I really want to complain about actually manifested itself in this thread. I don't like the idea that the Cylons are just toying with them and that they've been in control this whole time. That everything that happens they allow to happen. I don't like making it seem that the characters don't have a choice or a hand in the outcome.
     

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