Battlestar Galactica 1/13/06 S2E12 Resurrection Ship Part 2

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  1. Jan 15, 2006 #41 of 143
    Anubys

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    Duck tape? :confused:

    :D

    Caine's XO refusing to kill Adama would have really advanced his character...I thought him helping the chief and Helo was a sign that he will be around for some time...doing the story the way it unfolded tells me that he will not be around long (and the Pegasus with him)...
     
  2. Jan 15, 2006 #42 of 143
    EchoBravo

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    I didn't as much feel sorry for her as I was sad to see the character go. I love the tension she brought to the show, but realize she couldn't stay.

    Redux brought up the battle, contrasting it to the way the Battle of Wolf 359 was portrayed on ST:TNG. Well I saw another Trek link in this 2 parter. How about comparing Ensign Ro, er, Admiral Caine with Captain Ransom of the U.S.S. Equinox? Ransom is from the ST:VOY 2 parter "Equinox."

    Caine & Ransom: Both were flawed. Both sacrificed their "evolved" Colonial Fleet/Starfleet morals when their backs were against the wall and their very survival was at stake. Both were backed by loyal but trusting, broken officers. And both met rather unfortunate ends.

    Edit to add:
    Damn, the more I think about it the more I realize the concept of Equinox may have been borrowed from this story. The whole "a ship we thought was alone really isn't .. the captain on the Other ship has some ethical issues .. come together to fight a common enemy .. then fight each other" thing. Hmmm.

    You can even compare the Captain Adama floating on water fantasy world to Captain Ransom's beach scene fantasy world. Whaddatheysay about everything has happened once; Everything will happen again?

    My gods, I love BSG (and Trek). :D
     
  3. Jan 15, 2006 #43 of 143
    vikingguy

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    I like the episode but very very disapointed in the battle. I was hoping to finally get an epic battle on this show. Intead we get to see some fighting in the distance. I wanted to hear adama bark out orders and watch them excuted. I wanted to see up close the point blank battle between the basestars and battlestars. I also hate that they took the cowardly way out on caine. I wanted to see one of the good guys do something bad.
     
  4. Jan 15, 2006 #44 of 143
    Redux

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    Exactly what I felt for a moment. But I think the distant view of the battle was, in itself, a remarkably effective alternative perspective, detached and almost clinical in its disinterest, yet epic at the same time, and it also allowed the "other" story to take center stage. A "mixture" of cliche battletalk/closeups/flashier effects/intensity with the main plot would have been OK, maybe even more exciting, but as the producers actually decided to put these elements together I think this it's one of the best hours of episodic television I've ever experienced.
     
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    vikingguy

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    I could agree with that if the show had a lot of battles like DS9. The show does the battles so rarely I thought it was the perfect chance for that epic battle. I was hoping for something on the scale of like when the dominion took control of DS9 or most of the B5 major engagements. You had 2 basestars and 2 battlestars going toe to toe it should be been a epic halacious battle.
     
  6. Jan 15, 2006 #46 of 143
    Mike Farrington

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    I bet they blew a decent portion of their digital f/x budget on the battle we did see. Man that was some beautiful work.
     
  7. Jan 15, 2006 #47 of 143
    vikingguy

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    I also think the distance made the battle look way way to easy. For 2 season we hear how bad ass the cylons are that was smashed in this one episode. I just wish they would of showed the whole battle from begining to end with the after math. That is why I loved the big B5 battles there was a begining middle and end of each battle. You got up close and personal and got to see the tatics and how they turned the battle. The writers of the show should watch no retreat,no surender and severed dreams to see how a battle sequence should go.

    Also how was gina able to easily escape a battle ship with 1000s of solders?

    I like the show but I was expecting way more in the first major engagement of the series. The show has hyped up this battle for 4 months over a few episodes and that is all we got. The battlestars whipping the ass of the basestars with ease. Hell the battle was so easy that caine was able to leave the bridge almost right after the battle I would assume she would only leave if the ship had very minor damage.


    I doubt they blew that much of the budget considering this battle was not as big and long as the one that ended star gate atlantis season 1 because I would bet battle star has a much bigger budget.
     
  8. Jan 15, 2006 #48 of 143
    generalpatton71

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    I don't know what to say but wow to this show and this episode. First I'd just like to say the battle was NEVER meant to be the focus of this two part episode. It was always about the ships and it's crews. They both learned to survive in two very different ways and yet both learned the same lessons.

    Now in terms of the strength of the battlestars against baseships and other cylon ships. I'd like to point out that surprise in war is a VERY big factor and in there writing they take this into account. The crews of both these ships have also learned tactics that are effective against the cylons otherwise they would be dead by now. They effectively set up a scenario where they could use there strengths against the cylons this time and not the other way around. They may have not spent the entire show explaining this, but it's what happened.

    I'm sure many of you know that this was originally inspired by the original BSG episodes where they came across another battlestar and that captain wanted to attack a cylon fleet but Adoma wouldn't do it because it meant putting the civilian fleet at risk.I also don't see a problem with a second battlestar in this show. BSG is and always will be the center of the show but this show isn't about one ship it's about a fleet of human ships trying to find earth. I also like the fact that Pegasus is the original BSG design from the originally show. When I first saw the quality of the sets for Pegasus I knew it would be around for awhile. They have also spent a fair amount of time developing new characters on the new ship. It should provide a good amount of new material for the show.

    It's amazing to me how well they develop story lines in this show. There always seems to be a story arch and I love that. To many scifi shows think you have to make a hour long show but at the end of the show all the characters must end up in the same place they began. BSG just doesn't do this and I love that. It lets them develop little things over time that ends up adding allot of drama to a situation. You have Laura and Adoma for example becoming closer and relying on each other to shoulder this enormous burden that they must carry. They have developed deep and powerful feelings because of this. Not the soap opera kind but one of "How in the hell can I live with out this person in my live". Now were about to have a importune moment in the next episode about the health of her versus the health of the fleet and we all know that this is going to rip this guys heart out.

    I'd also like to say didn't anybody else pause last week when they previewed the next week? When the captain had the frak you line I paused it when I saw the bruise on the wrist of the person holding the gone. I then knew right then it was the cylon.
     
  9. Jan 15, 2006 #49 of 143
    vikingguy

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    If the battle was not the main part they should of not talked about it so much. Also babylon 5 had more drama and character growth than BSG yet managed to have effective massive battles.

    If the show is not about a fleet finding earth then why did they waste the whole first season trying to find directions to earth the profacy and all that. The show is focused on the ship and crew they rarely show other ships crews and civilians. I hope the pegasus leaves soon so we can get back on track were the show was before cain and the evil crew showed up. If the pegasus is around there is no fear it would take the cyclons sending 3 or more baseships to give them a real fight. Since it has been established the 2 battlestars can easily kick the crap out of 2 basestars.


    I guess you never watched babylon 5 then because that show also had a 5 year story arch that was freaking awesome.


    When did the galatica engage a basestar directly in close combat? They have been on the defensive jumping when ever the cyclons showed up and have learned no super stratagys. Hell if they had this super stratagy the should turn around and go kick the cylons out of thier worlds. They did not explain anything this episode that was a mistake and weak writing. Also in RS1 they talked about taking out the resurections FTL drive before the attack. In this episode the battle was well on the way before they took out the FLT drive. If the ship was so important why did it not jump the second the battlestars showed up? When was the black bird outfitted with weapons anyway?



    I like the show but I have been waiting for this episode for months and months and it was very weak. They promised an epic battle to destroy the most important ship in the galaxy instead we got a few distant shots and a cyclon killing cain.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2006 #50 of 143
    ccooperev

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    Which as I understand would be more accurate. Sound only travels in atmosphere so an explosion in space would probably be silent.

    btw, this is my 100th post accorcding to the bb. :cool:
     
  11. Jan 15, 2006 #51 of 143
    Rob Helmerichs

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  12. Jan 15, 2006 #52 of 143
    ccooperev

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    Well, hate to admit it but... NO! Admiral "RO" has got to Go!

    Oh, and was that a flinch I detected on Caine's face when confronted by Peg/Gina6?

    Now the teasers for next weeks episode looks pretty chilling. Wonder if the Fundies will get all up in arms about it. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Jan 15, 2006 #53 of 143
    ccooperev

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    What if the cylons intentionally allowed the BSG fleet to destroy these assets?
     
  14. Jan 15, 2006 #54 of 143
    Amnesia

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    What was with Dualla standing outside the officers' quarters listening to Apollo and Starbuck?
     
  15. Jan 15, 2006 #55 of 143
    PJO1966

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    They had hinted earlier on that she has feelings for him. I think it was earlier in this season.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2006 #56 of 143
    questfortruth

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    I really liked the narrative choices that they made in this episode. This series is character-driven, so the decision to focus on the Caine-Adama struggle- played out through Starbuck and the Pegasus XO- was inspired.

    As for the battlestars overpowering the basestars...it looked to me as though one of the Pegasus landing bays suffered major damage in the attack (around the 42:50 mark on my recording of the episode). We'll probably find out more in the next episode.
     
  17. Jan 15, 2006 #57 of 143
    ronsch

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    I read through 53 posts waiting for someone to pick up on this. Was it just as simple as Dualla having a thing for Lee? For a minute there I thought Lee was still unaware of how Caine died and was going to say something about Stabuck's orders to kill her with Dualla listening.
     
  18. Jan 15, 2006 #58 of 143
    ccooperev

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    But you could get a strong inference about what her orders were based on Kara's comments.
     
  19. Jan 15, 2006 #59 of 143
    ccooperev

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    well funny you should think that. I've been around on this board for like 4 years now almost. It seems that somehow my post ticker got set back a big notch. I figure I actually have closer to 400 posts.
     
  20. Jan 15, 2006 #60 of 143
    chronatog7

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    Great show.
    BTW, we haven't seen the Robot-Cylons in quite a while. Maybe the save the CGI budget for the battle.
     

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