Battlestar Galactic "Lay Down Your Burdens" 3/10/06

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Graymalkin, Mar 10, 2006.

  1. DLL66

    DLL66 Member

    Oct 20, 2002


    What ever......Andromeda reruns are still playing........ :rolleyes:
  2. Warren

    Warren Wild Hair

    Oct 18, 2001
    Season TWO dvd news?

    to quote RDM from his blog

    notice he didn't say 2.5 or 2b maybe I am just "wishfull" thinking
  3. questfortruth

    questfortruth New Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    How many civilian ships/civilians were lost when Gina exploded the nuke?

    And how many new babies have been born in the year since they settled on New Caprica?

    And who has the unenviable job of calculating all of this and putting it up on the "survivors blackboard" for October?
  4. VinceA

    VinceA Active Member

    May 13, 2002
    Bayonne, NJ
    I think she was in the room at points when Baltar was dealing with 'Gina' (PegaSix).
  5. chronatog7

    chronatog7 Ill 'Gotten Gains!

    Aug 26, 2004
    Miami, Florida


    BTW, did anyone notice when the reverent Al's twins were talking, one of them said "AMEN"? I thought they say "Say we all".

    Good episode, I'm still on the fence about where are we going with this. Hopefully, we haven't seen the end of an era (Jumping the shark).

    Long live Galactica!
  6. Kevdog

    Kevdog New Member

    Apr 18, 2001
    There are other current science fiction shows? ;)
  7. chronatog7

    chronatog7 Ill 'Gotten Gains!

    Aug 26, 2004
    Miami, Florida
    Also, did anyone notice how they put a black block on the rear of Tortured 6 when she was getting naked?
  8. IndyJones1023

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

    Apr 1, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Oh my gods! That was pure awesome! Dean Stockwell really made the first half of the show. I loved his "take me to your leader" and his submission when he saw his "brother." Then the settling on New Caprica - I saw the "one year later" and my jaw dropped. Is it October yet?
  9. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    How about the Cylons marching through New Caprica exactly like the Nazis marching thought the streets of Paris? did anyone else get that vibe?

    how convenient that is was Gaeta who handed the presidency to Baltar! I still insist he's a spylon :p
  10. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

    May 25, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    No, the Cylons were probably lying. Or rather, I suspect the Dean Stockwell model is lying.

    The Cylons haven't had a serious victory against the humans since their initial assaults on the 12 colonies. Even the resistance on Caprica was causing them serious problems. Huge body counts, huge property destruction... the Cylons were fighting against hit-and-run tactics, both on the conquered colonies and against the Colonial fleet. And the fleet was constantly on alert for Cylon attack, they were always moving, and always armed. They never slowed down to catch their breaths or look over their shoulders.

    So the Cylons did the absolute SMARTEST thing they could do. They lied to the humans and tricked them into becoming complacent. They told them the war was over, and the humans believed them. And in that 380 days after Dean Stockwell told them that, the humans never saw a Cylon attack, there were no more Cylon sabotages, and they lived in relative peace. So the humans let down their guard. They grew so lazy that they forgot HOW to fight against the Cylons.

    And the Cylons were able to walk right in. Not only were they able to slam right through the limited defenses of the remains of the fleet.... the humans are in a concentrated region on the planet, making it easier for the Cylons to take control of the human race.

    The humans just got stupid and lazy. I suspect this is all just part of the plan for the Cylons. Humanity's children being reclaimed and turned into slaves... just like the Cylons originally were.

    I was wondering that too, actually. Of the regular and semi-regular characters, he's the only one we didn't see any sign of in the flashforward (Viper pilots excluded). It was kind of interesting that in all the things we saw, and all the characters we saw, and all the interactions, Zarik wasn't seen once.

    I can't imagine them killing off such an interesting character as Zarik without any kind of death scene... particularly not so soon in the series.

    This, more than anything else in this thread, is the one thing I agree with most. Adama has spent a year since the Cylon attacks on the 12 Colonies being on guard, vigilent against any Cylon attacks... and he suddenly just stands down? More than anyone else in the Colonial Fleet, Adama has been the one on his toes and standing guard against Cylon incursions against the fleet, he's been the MOST apprehensive about Cylon attacks, he still doesn't trust Boomer enough to let her out of the Brig more than a minute.

    And all of a sudden, a year later, he just ASSUMES the Cylon war is over because they haven't attacked in a year? And grows back the Ron Jeremy Stache-O-Doom as well?

    That is NOT Bill Adama. Either the whole thing is a dream sequence (or it's just not real.... maybe it's some Cylon computer generated scenario of human surrender) or the writers have just forgotten who the hell Admiral Adama has been over these past two seasons.

    I am still kind of ... I guess "jumbled" is a good word for explaining how I feel about this episode. On the one hand.... HOLY FRACKING COW! What a whizbang ending. The last half hour definitely had me on the edge of my seat, because I was looking for so much. It very much captivated me. And I can't wait for October, because I know it's going to start right back up and begin flashing back to that missing year.

    But on the other hand....

    Well, I'm right there in that camp of folks who think that last half hour is just a plot device to kickstart the story again. Because, frankly, I didn't much care for the second half of season two if I look at it as a whole. The first 3 episodes of season 2.5 were great. The last 2 episodes were great. But in between? Bleh. The overall arc of humanity's survival went absolutely nowhere. It just hung there in the air. Characters started acting out of character. And it felt like the writers had no idea how to keep the humans moving towards Earth without actually *getting* them to Earth. The Cylons might have a plan, but I'm not so sure the writers do anymore.

    And it's a dang shame, because I love this show, and even in this mediocre season, I still love it more than so many other things on TV, and I still have so much faith in it. I have this suspicion that the 7 month break is happening because RDM needs to reset his viewpoint on Galactica and figure out what's going on with the series once again.

    But with all that said? For a plot device, it was a HELL of a plot device. :)
  11. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    The reason nobody has bitched about it is because they've been doing that this whole season (at least 2.5 if not the whole second season). Don't you have TiVo? If so, why didn't you just 30-sec skip past that like everyone else?

    And Skittles, I don't agree that Adama let down his guard. He still felt the need to remain vigilant and keep a watchful eye, but he probably couldn't justify keeping the entire crew onboard when the rest of humanity was getting on with their lives. Therefore, he didn't have a need for an XO when the crew was so small. I would guess that the majority of the combat personnel are on Pegasus anyway.

    Finally, I don't think there was any doubt that the 6 and 8 that showed up in Baltar's office are the same two that were stuck in the underground parking garage with Anders and are now considered the "Heroes of the Cylons" according to the Dean Stockwell model. They've essentiall become the leaders of the "race" and it is likely because of them that the Cylons didn't completely wipe out the humans when they found them on New Caprica.
  12. Peter000

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    My first thought after seeing the last half hour was "Shark. Jumped." I was really disappointed, though I can't put my finger on why. I'm in the camp that thought it was a dream when I was watching it.... SO much of it and the people seemed out of character. But now I'm not sure.

    I'll certainly watch it in October (whatever network it's on) but I'm not nearly as expectant as I was at the end of last season.
  13. rlc1

    rlc1 Frakking idiot

    Sep 15, 2003
    Plaistow, NH
    I guess I'm one of the people that did not think this season was "going nowhere". I thought it was going pretty well, the entire season. But this finale....I just don't know, it seemed so rushed. The part that kept making me think it was all a dream (a dream of Baltar's) was his little harem....I couldn't believe that even a scumbag like him would just lay around with a bunch of women like that....seemed like a real weird turn.

    I'm looking forward to next season because this is still my favorite show....but it's got me real worried now.
  14. mrpantstm

    mrpantstm Well aren't you

    Jan 25, 2005
    wow. just wow.
  15. Peter000

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    One idle thought I've had lately is wondering whether the human-cylon models age naturally, should they live long enough. It would be interesting to see some that are older than the rest, perhaps greying, because they've been around the block.
  16. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Oct 27, 2000
    He definetly looked puffy to me.
  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003

  18. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

    Feb 22, 2001
    SF Bay Area, CA
    I think some people are misunderstand "reset" here or have a different definition that I do. What I'm saying is that to me, it seems that this reality is either someone's dream or some timeline that will go away. So, at some point in season 3, they will hit the "reset" button and things will be back to the way they were before Baltar became president and sent everyone down to New Caprica.

    This was rather common practice on Enterprise.
  19. IndyJones1023

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

    Apr 1, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Me, too!
  20. Lord_Skywalker

    Lord_Skywalker Member

    Oct 22, 2005
    Baraboo, WI
    I don't know, waiting over a year for something, anything to justify maintaining vigilance will change anyone. Don't forget, they also mentioned they were having trouble even maintaining training flights for the vipers. I think they tried to keep up training, but eventually started running out of fuel, ammo, etc. Plus, having Baltar as Pres has definitely brought down everyones moral, no doubt. I think Adama Just realized at the onset he was outgunned and knew he had to run to save any chance of even being able to try and rescue the New Caprica settlers.

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