Basic question from complete noobie - re: burning to DVD

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by lemur21, Aug 24, 2008.

  1. lemur21

    lemur21 Member

    Aug 24, 2008


    Unless I'm mistaken...

    Under "features" it mentions hooking up to an SATA external hard drive. If using one of the newer eSATA/USB hard drives, it could then be accessed by PC through USB, I'd imagine...

    Even still - burning to DVD is not a priority; storing stuff is...
  2. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

    Oct 31, 2003
    Potato and pen.

    TiVo doesn't do it.

    The cable channels and the cable systems do.

    It's the "Hollywood doesn't want people making digital copies of their stuff" syndrome.

    The cable company either flags their signal with a marker that says "Don't copy this" or they tell the cable system to do it for them as part of their deal.

    TiVo had to have its equipment "rubber stamped" by some "well known" electronics tester, and the tester company has a deal with Hollywood to require such "flagging" be respected.

    In order to pass their tests and get "approval", TiVo had to make all its recorders compliant with the digital "flags" that prohibit copying.

    Some "flags" will forbid recording at all, some will cause the recording to erase after a short period of time, some will allow recording but not transferring to a second device, etc.
  3. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

    Oct 31, 2003
    Potato and pen.

    You hook up an external drive directly to your cable DVR.

    Now what?

    How do you get the recordings to transfer? And will the drive work later if you try to play the recordings back on your computer (if that's your eventual goal)? Are you limited to only playing the recordings back thru the cable box into your TV? (And that's if you even CAN record to the hard drive directly from the cable box, no other devices involved.)
  4. retired_guy

    retired_guy New Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Don't assume you can access the eSATA drive from a PC in any usable fashion. In the case of TiVo, the programs recorded are encrypted in a fashion such that they can't be used when attached to a PC. In addition, the mere act of attaching to the PC probably will cause recordings to be lost when reattaching to the TiVo. Remember that the cable companies as well as TiVo are forced to follow the rules as established by networks and movie companies regarding protection of their intellectual property.
  5. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

    May 21, 2004


    In addition to all the ways mentioned by mr.unnatural, VideoRedo TVSuite will do it quite simply as well (resulting in a SD format DVD).
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    see what others have said about not being able to access the esata drive from a pc. However this odes lead back to original answer by me and classicsat, no need for DVD burning or even PC offloading if you have a big enough storage on the DVR to begin with.

    TiVo HD will let you hook up esata easily or you could just upgrade the internal drive to a larger one - 1 TB drives are fairly inexpensive now adays.
    TiVo also does have TiVoToGo which will let you copy shows from DVR to PC over the home network. It is easy to use and then burn a DVD however you like.

    That is the high level and there are details to fill in but that is how a TiVo will answer your original post
  7. Playloud

    Playloud Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    For what you want to do, I HIGHLY recommend buying a Tivo HD, and the VideoReDo software. With this, you will get perfect quality (zero quality loss from what your cable company sends out), commercial free videos.

    As far as I know, there is no way to transfer shows digitally from a Cable DVR box. The only way to transfer the show (that I am aware of) would be to use a video capture device, and capture the video from the analog outputs of the cable box). This is less than ideal, as it is limited to "real time", and quality is lost in the capture.

    For the best quality, you will want to get a Tivo HD (or Series 3). Tivo Desktop (TivoToGo) allows you to transfer your shows digitally (zero quality loss) to your computer. This happens faster than real time for SD material. The actual speed varies, depending on what the Tivo is going. If recording two HD channels, and watching a previously recorded HD program, it will take much longer than if recording two SD channels, and not watching anything previously recorded.

    I transfer shows from my Tivo HD to my laptop. I then run the Tivo Decoder (free) on them to get rid of anything that would cause an error (I don't understand it, but it happens). Then I run VideoReDo to edit out the commercials. This is good for two different reasons. Obviously, you don't have to worry about the commercials later, but also, the video then takes about about 25% less HDD space.

    As I understand it, VideoReDo does not need to recode the video when editing out commercials, so there is no quality loss when doing so. Depending on the resolution, the video may require a recode to be put on DVD (you can leave the perfect quality .mpg on your HD if you want).

    I have been archiving some of my favorite shows (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles). I have them on my HDD, and I burned them to DVD to bring to work (I have too much free time there). This sounds pretty much like what you want to do.

    I am thinking of buying a 1TB HDD to put in my quad core folding@home rig. Once I figure out how to set up Samba better (just have some reading to do), I can then use that drive as a file server, and keep more stuff archived (especially if I start archiving HD programming) The folding@home rig is on 24/7 already anyway. I think I'll have to upgrade this laptop to gigabit first though =)
  8. lemur21

    lemur21 Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    Thanks guys,

    I'm leaning towards the TIVO -- there are several pros and cons:

    Pro 1 - easier to move programs to a separate hard drive (maybe)
    Pro 2 - it tracks when shows are delayed, etc.

    Con 1 - more expensive than using the box from my cable company (which costs the same as a regular box).

    Question - does TIVO charge for its service per BOX or per household (i.e., if I have two TIVO boxes, does it charge me twice or once only?)


  9. RonDawg

    RonDawg Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2006
    First box is $12.95/month or $399 Lifetime
    Second through sixth boxes in same household as first is $9.95/month or $299 Lifetime
  10. lemur21

    lemur21 Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    Thanks for the fast reply.

    Is that $399 for the lifetime of THAT box; or for a lifetime of service (i.e., if a year from now, I upgrade to a newer TIVO unit, do I still carry the service)?

    Sorry that these questions are OT to my original post; but I think you guys *may* have convinced me to go with TIVO over my cable company's offering. And, it's easier to ask here than to start a slew of new threads, I suspect.

    One last - way OT - question. About how much space does an average 1/2 hour or hour show take up (in terms of MB or GB)?

  11. Playloud

    Playloud Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    500-950MB, depending on the compression for that show.
  12. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001

    Lifetime is always tied to that box nowadays. (At one point in time, for the since discontinued DirecTivos, apparently it did tie to the account.)
  13. InFromTheCold

    InFromTheCold Member

    May 28, 2008
    NY, NY
    The lovely and talented TWC of NYC.
  14. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    For what you want to do, the cable supplied box is out, as it doesn't do what you're talking about at all.

    You may need to look at the pricing too, as it's probably not really "free", just being bundled in with a level of service you may or may not care about.

    Depending on whether or not you currently use a cable box, you may have basically two choices-a Tivo HD, or a PC based DVR package. If you currently need features that use a cable box, you're essentially limited to a Tivo HD, which can use cable cards (though it's software is less buggy anyway, it's usually cheaper, and probably the better choice regardless).

    With Tivo HD, you'll need to expand it's storage space, as unfortunately it only ships with a small drive (wish Tivo sold them from the factory with 500+MB drives!). There's an official way to do it with a Western Digital external drive made for it, or places like Weaknees sell expansions, or sell Tivos with larger drives already installed.
  15. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    On my WinXP PC, I have movie files.mpg. They are 640x480. I believe that is equivalent to 480p. They are nature movies that I want to save to show to our grandchildren when they get a little older.

    I used Roxio 'MyDVD LE' to burn the .mpg file onto a structure of files on a 4.7GB DVD. The DVD played successfully.

    The program, viewed from the DVD(480i), was a little grainer than the original.

    I notice that any DVD I play on my DVD Player (Sony SONDVPNS725P) to my HDTV has the resolution indicated by TV Info as 480i (interlaced). The professionally recorded DVDs look sharper.

    I have a THEORY that one half of the video data is not being used and the other half is being used twice?

    Are there any utilities to convert progressive video data to interlaced video data?

    The video authoring programs like 'VideoReDo' seem to be intent on removing advertising, Etc. . I have no need to do that. I am concerned with the full resolution (480p to 480i translation?).

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