Avenue 5 (HBO) Season Thread *spoilers*

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  1. Jan 29, 2020 #61 of 193
    Gerryex

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    I must have missed that. However although its scientifically inaccurate they have been saying that the delay is only 26 seconds so to give them ONLY 26 seconds of a warning to the gravity reset is still ridiculous. But it seems most of the funny stuff is ridiculous!!!

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    Rob Helmerichs

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    I was a little disappointed to see that mission control really is on Earth, which makes the 26-second delay stupid. I had been holding out hope they were on some kind of station much closer to the ship...
     
  3. Jan 29, 2020 #63 of 193
    Tony_T

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    Yeah, having a spaceship the size of the titanic in space on a cruise, well that makes sense, but it’s that damn 26 second delay that bugs me ;)
     
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  4. Jan 29, 2020 #64 of 193
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, a spaceship the size of the Titanic is theoretically possible. Transmissions from Earth to the deep solar system in 26 seconds are not.
     
  5. Jan 29, 2020 #65 of 193
    Tony_T

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    Even if theoretically possible, it would never be built with all that empty waste of space with an atrium.

    Now, let’s discuss how they are able to get artificial gravity in a ship constructed like the Avenue 5

    But none of this will make the show funny
     
  6. Jan 30, 2020 #66 of 193
    smbaker

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    Why is mission control involved in their "gravity resets" at all? Other than preparing a rescue mission, why is mission control relevant to this series at all? Why waste time on the characters? (Maybe there will be payoff later)

    I've never watched "Veep" so I don't know about the comparisons, but I usually find comedies work best when you have most of the characters as rational and a few as the absurd comic ones. They've tried to make almost everyone in this series over-the-top absurd. Have a competent captain and give him an incompetent crew, or have a competent crew and give them an incompetent captain. Someone needs to be able to play off of someone else.

    The guy who plays the owner should just have an accident with an airlock and be done with him. He's an annoying an unnecessary character. Same with the lady who is the spokesperson for the passengers. Leave Hugh Laurie as the primary idiot, have Jared from Silicon Valley as his sidekick, and play everyone else sane. For me, that would be the right mix. Kind of like The Office.

    Gravity plating, the same stuff they have in Star Trek. Maybe McCoy and Scotty went back in time and gave somebody the recipe.
     
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  7. Jan 30, 2020 #67 of 193
    photoshopgrl

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    I laughed at your Office reference but then the Jared instead of Gabe to go with it. ;)
     
  8. Jan 30, 2020 #68 of 193
    gweempose

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    I thought I was the only person who saw that show! :) Despite how low budget it was, "Other Space" was actually way funnier than this show.
     
  9. Jan 30, 2020 #69 of 193
    Tony_T

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    Star Trek (incl TNG, movies, etc), never had any delay when the Captain was communicating with Star Fleet Command…. how was that possible?
     
  10. Jan 30, 2020 #70 of 193
    Rob Helmerichs

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    There's a difference between positing instantaneous communication (which is basically magic), and having signals travel faster than the speed of light (which violates the laws of physics).
     
  11. Jan 30, 2020 #71 of 193
    Tony_T

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    The ST instantaneous communication with Star Fleet Command could only occur with the signals traveling faster than the speed of light. Avenue 5 has a 26 second delay, Star Trek none
     
  12. Jan 30, 2020 #72 of 193
    ej42137

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    I presume you are joking. There is absolutely no difference; both violate the laws of physics to exactly the same extent, both are magic to exactly the same extent.

    Given that they are in cis-Saturn space, a 26 second delay to Earth is much faster than light.
     
  13. Jan 30, 2020 #73 of 193
    smbaker

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    Avenue 5 posits technology that is much closer to our own than Star Trek.

    This is the problem with many "near-future" SciFi shows. They don't have access to magical technology like FTL drives, FTL communication, and gravity plating. They have to stick closer to home, with things that are attainable with technology that's only a small step beyond our own.

    As far as the 26 seconds not being accurate, I doubt it has any deeper meaning other than 26 minutes wouldn't have worked for the gags they're trying to play, so they made up something else. I doubt this series is intended to have any FTL capability. If there were any technical consultants, perhaps the producers or writers overruled them on the basis that most of the audience wouldn't know any different. Audience expects there to be time delay, so they write for a time delay.
     
  14. Jan 30, 2020 #74 of 193
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Not really. It's possible to imagine new physics that allows for instantaneous communication (ansibles, e.g.). But a signal traveling faster than the speed of light...not instantaneously, but faster than light...wouldn't simply require new physics; it would require throwing the old physics out.

    Right, that's my point. In Star Trek, it's not a signal traveling. Through some unknown mechanism, the communication happens instantaneously (much like the transporter with physical matter). In Avenue 5, the signal is actually traveling faster than light...which is impossible.
     
  15. Jan 30, 2020 #75 of 193
    ej42137

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    Either case of superluminal communication in a universe with Special Relativity results in a violation of causality; space-like paths, AKA time travel, is the inevitable result. IMO instantaneous communication is more magic than FTL; I can see how someone might consider them equally impossible but I struggle to see how one could consider instantaneous to be the more possible alternative.

    Completely agree with your point about 26 seconds; the rule-of-funny trumps every other rule in a comedy.
     
  16. Jan 30, 2020 #76 of 193
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, there's always the ansible (communications devices linked by quantum entanglement). I doubt it's actually possible, but at least it gives them an excuse. For a signal to physically move faster than light, there's no excuse for that.

    Star Trek goes around science. Avenue 5 goes right through it, breaking into a million pieces.
     
  17. Jan 30, 2020 #77 of 193
    Tony_T

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    I don’t believe we know what year Avenue 5 is set in, so if we can somehow come to terms with Star Trek not having a communications delay we must also come to terms with the 26 seconds on Avenue 5. Any explanations given here on how Star Trek was able to overcome communications faster than the speed of light can also be applied here. Can’t have it both ways
     
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    dswallow

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    Perhaps they have instantaneous communication but the manner of using it requires some crazy amount of processing/re-processing of the signal which currently is taking 26 seconds, perhaps because of the failure of some special equipment. And the guy who died was out there trying to fix that equipment to get back to normal almost-instantaneous communication.
     
  19. Jan 30, 2020 #79 of 193
    JYoung

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    Which also makes no sense.

    They (Joe and Billie) kept saying that there was nothing they could do to "fix" the time delay (which Mission Control was well aware of) so why was Joe outside the ship in the first place?
    The implication appears to be that they're out far enough from Earth to have a delay in radio transmission (which should be limited to the speed of light).

    Or:
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    Even if it was just "for show" to Judd, why bother to suit up and go outside when Joe just could have lied and said he was working on it while safe and sound in his "office"?

    Yeah, ok, I've watched the first two episodes and I'm kind of meh on this so far.
    Basically because I'm just not finding it that funny.
    Hugh Laurie is mildly amusing but the rest, well.....

    We'll see if it gets better.
     
  20. Jan 31, 2020 #80 of 193
    sharkster

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    Ok, so this is supposed to be a comedy? I just finally watched E01 and E02, and did not laugh one single time.

    I'm just recording one episode at a time, at this point, but I feel like they're just trying too hard.
     
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