Automatic SkipMode Project Proposal

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by RoamioJeff, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. Oct 31, 2016 #41 of 188
    bradleys

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    I love Kmttg and use it quite a bit - but most of the time I do not want to download a show. I just want to play and let it run. The OP's idea is interesting - listen for an audio sample and fire a network command to "skip"

    My wife would love it...
     
  2. Oct 31, 2016 #42 of 188
    mrizzo80

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    I have a Roamio Plus.
     
  3. Oct 31, 2016 #43 of 188
    mrizzo80

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    There's no download requirement associated with the automatic commercial skip component. I think it requires the kmttg console app to be open since I don't think the skip component runs as a Windows Service (but I could be wrong about that.) Definitely give it a try.
     
  4. Oct 31, 2016 #44 of 188
    moyekj

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    That's correct, there's no download needed for this automatic commercial skip to work. Yes, kmttg needs to be running. If you setup AutoSkip service then you don't even have to initiate play from kmttg -- it will automatically detect when a program with available AutoSkip data is playing on the TiVo and enable AutoSkip on it. It doesn't even have to be playing on the original TiVo it was recorded on either, it can be playing on any series 4 or higher TiVo or TiVo Mini.
     
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  5. Nov 1, 2016 #45 of 188
    Dan203

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    Did you work out the issue we had initially with determining the offset of the skip points from the start of the video?
     
  6. Nov 1, 2016 #46 of 188
    jerryez

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    Dish networks skip mode for when it is available runs15-30 seconds of commercial and ends 15-30 seconds early. TiVo is great, mine dings exactly as the commercial starts and the program begin just as the rating pops up in the top left corner and I do not mind hitting the D button to keep things moving. LOVE IT. Networks commercials suck.
     
  7. Nov 1, 2016 #47 of 188
    moyekj

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    No, I still don't have access to the caption data TiVo uses to fix the timing. What changed is now when you initiate play via RPC SkipMode actually works (didn't used to in older software). So now I'm taking advantage of that to use Channel Down presses to skip backwards through a show and record the positions of all the show start points. Then of course what's missing are the show end points (commercial start points). For that I use the downloaded SkipMode data to compute the length of each show segment. Then I use that information to compute/estimate the show end points. Turns out to be more accurate than I expected with computed end points usually ~2-4 seconds later then they should be, but certainly good enough for automatic skip viewing mode (no download needed for that) or as good estimate for cut points to use in VRD for downloads.
     
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  8. Nov 1, 2016 #48 of 188
    Dan203

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    KMTTG does downloading right? Couldn't you use this information to create a VideoReDo project file (vprj) so the user could just open the file in VRD and modify as needed?
     
  9. Nov 1, 2016 #49 of 188
    humbb

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    I'm finding that after using the <v> or <w> keys, after the last program cut points are saved, that program begins playing. Is that expected behavior?
     
  10. Nov 1, 2016 #50 of 188
    moyekj

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    Yes, it already does that - there's an "Export AutoSkip cuts" menu entry which can be used to create VPrj file for VRD.
     
  11. Nov 1, 2016 #51 of 188
    moyekj

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    Yes, that's how it finds where the show start points are. See:
    kmttg / Wiki / AutoSkip_from_SkipMode
     
  12. Nov 1, 2016 #52 of 188
    Dan203

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    Cool.

    FYI when I was manually aligning the skipmode data during our old tests the ends of the segments were always off. I don't think TiVo really does a great job adjusting those because they only use them to play the ding and display the skip instruction banner.
     
  13. Nov 2, 2016 #53 of 188
    humbb

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    Yes, I understand that it has to initiate play to grab the cut points, but why does it continue playing afterwards (maybe a "skip to end" code sent afterwards)? All of the grabbed programs now appear in my Partially Watched list. :)
    I love the Autoskip feature though.
     
  14. Nov 2, 2016 #54 of 188
    moyekj

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    The last commands sent are skip to original pause point and then a TiVo press for each show, so theoretically it should leave off within a second or so of the original pause point. For the cases when shows were never watched it's possible they are ending up a second or so from time 0 from what's been reported, so I will need to check into that but I haven't seen that from my testing.
     
  15. Nov 2, 2016 #55 of 188
    humbb

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    The Tivo press does not end playback. I think you would have to press "Live TV", or initiate playback of another program to do that. Just watch what is actually happening with the TV on.
    Thanks!
     
  16. Nov 2, 2016 #56 of 188
    moyekj

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    OK, I understand now. I NEVER use the video window (have it turned off in settings) so for me TiVo press does stop playback. Now I realize that doesn't work for people using the video window, so I need to press pause before TiVo button or use "Live TV" instead.
     
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  17. Nov 2, 2016 #57 of 188
    Dan203

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    I wonder if that means SkipMode will eventually work on the app? It also still doesn't work on a Mini if you play from a TiVo that is not the primary host. Not sure why that is since it does work when you lay a file from another TiVo on a TiVo.
     
  18. Nov 2, 2016 #58 of 188
    mattack

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  19. Nov 2, 2016 #59 of 188
    Dan203

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    I believe the could allow protected downloads to a PC, but they'd need to get a better encryption scheme that's approved by CableLabs and they'd have to do the copy and delete like they do in the apps.
     
  20. Nov 3, 2016 #60 of 188
    bradleys

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    I didn't know that... Hold on!
     

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