Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by hahathatsfunny, May 28, 2020.

  1. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2015
    Possible and there are a slew of the beta Osprey boxes out there too,
  2. Chuck_IV

    Chuck_IV Active Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    This was exactly it for me. Why do they continue the charade of great pricing for the first year, stuck behind astronomical 2nd yr pricing and that ridiculous 2 yr commitment?

    It’s the same old cr@p. They can’t get it through their heads that this type of model doesn’t fly anymore.

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  3. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2015
    While in general I agree with you, subscribing for a year and paying the ETF at the anniversary results in a pretty fair price. And of course, there is always that slight possibility that ATT will pull their heads out of their collective rears and offer some better pricing as subs start dropping the service in that 2nd year.
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  4. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2015
    Well I went back in and made those changes again this morning and let ‘er rip for awhile. Overall seems to speed things up a bit but nothing earth shattering.

    ATT could have made the box more powerful to begin with at the same price IMO, but as usual for the ATT/DirecTV box and software designers, it always seems that they take the minimum needed to provide almost reasonable performance. And I suspect that just like with DirecTV’s boxes, as software updates/upgrades happen, they will all get slower in operation.

    As to the apps on the box, well it would be nice to have Hulu and Prime available but since the box doesn’t support Atmos and the performance of apps is nearly as dismal as it is on the Tivo boxes these days, who really cares?

    IMO, when HBO Max comes to the Roku I suspect that my ATT Box will join other semi-crappy boxes in a closet.
  5. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    Well, the underlying problem is that the company just took WAY too long to get the AT&T TV service developed and out the door to customers. One of the AT&T bigwigs (Stephenson or Stankey, can't remember) sorta admitted as much in an interview around the time it launched. Here's the history:

    Nov. 2016: DirecTV Now launches, serving as the beta development platform to create the software and back-end infrastructure that will eventually support AT&T TV, intended to become their new flagship OTT cable TV service.

    Oct. 2017: AT&T submits their Android TV-powered streaming box (the C71 "Osprey") to the FCC for certification. (Variety broke the story here.) So the company had obviously designed the box and its specs earlier in 2017.

    early 2018: AT&T's CEO says that their forthcoming flagship service (the "AT&T TV" brand name had yet to be revealed) with its thin-client box (the Osprey) will debut by the end of 2018.

    May 2018: The redesigned DirecTV Now app (with a UI and feature set nearly identical to the final AT&T TV software) exits beta and rolls out widely to customers. In addition to the new look and code base, it introduces a new cloud DVR feature (which would remain in beta for well over a year).

    Nov. 2018: AT&T begins beta testing the Osprey box with select DirecTV Now subscribers.

    March 2020: After multiple delays, AT&T TV, the company's end-goal for OTT cable TV, finally exits beta and launches nationwide, shipping with the original Osprey box that had been designed close to three years earlier (albeit with an updated remote control that had been redesigned in 2019 based on beta feedback).

    During that lengthy process, available streaming hardware platforms obviously continued to improve but AT&T just stuck with the same ol' box and specs that they had picked out back in 2017. Too bad they didn't pivot over to the hardware used in Sling's AirTV Mini, which was introduced in July 2019. Pretty sure that hardware was simply a reference design that had been offered up by Google (their ADT-3 developer kit device). TiVo would go on to use the same hardware in their TiVo Stream 4K released this year. I imagine AT&T TV would run significantly better on that more advanced chipset.

    All that said, it's possible that the existing Osprey's performance will improve if AT&T updates the underlying Android TV OS from version 8.0 to the current 10.0 (which was released to OEMs late last year). I remember reading that one of Google's priorities with version 10 was to make the OS leaner, quicker and more responsive when running on less-capable hardware (which makes sense given that it runs on so many smart TVs and cheap pay TV boxes/dongles).
  6. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2015
    Yeah, too long from design to full rollout with no real hardware change. Sounds like they inherited the DirecTV design team! :)

    Here’s the app issues on various platforms as I see it

    ATT’s box - software is really good but hampered a bit with the minimal hardware design. Great remote though.

    ATV4K - Great performance in general, much better than ATT’s box. Biggest downside is during FF instead of using a thumbnail to give you a clue where you are it attempts to manipulate the whole screen and can’t keep up. Generally throwing an error that really is just BS as it simply is trying to what it can’t do. Downside is the pee-poor remote for the AppleTV IMO.

    FireTV Cube (2nd Gen) - performs very well on this box but the only indicator for FF is a time bar, no thumbnail or any other indication. The remote for the FireTV works well with the app IMO. Note I tried the app on my 1st gen Cube and it really sucked, twitchy video, sluggish and frequent crashes.

    Roku Ultra (the current model) - Probably the best version of the app, thumbnails are there, voice controls are similar to what the ATT box does. Performance is on par with the Cube and ATV4K.
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  7. Tobashadow

    Tobashadow Read over there --->

    Nov 11, 2006
    I have one of the beta boxes, used it a couple times and went back to my Roku.

    Sitting in a drawer now.
  8. hahathatsfunny

    hahathatsfunny Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    AT&T Watch TV, the $15/month streaming service, is no longer available to new subscribers. It didn't have a cloud DVR or even support on Roku, but targeted cord-cutters with a mix of channels like TBS and TCM, and was half the price of Sling Blue ($30/month).

    Interestingly, the AT&T Watch TV website doesn't advise new potential subscribers to check out either AT&T Now or AT&T TV.

    AT&T is killing its cheap TV bundle for cord cutters
  9. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    I'm sure AT&T would rather those potential new subscribers instead spend their $15 on HBO Max.
  10. TK978

    TK978 New Member

    Jan 5, 2017
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