Aspect Aspect Aspect

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. Jul 22, 2009 #61 of 124
    BigInJapan

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    4:3 and never.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2009 #62 of 124
    blacknoi

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    Is the aspect button being considered for removal from a Series 4 or something? I'm wondering why the question was asked in the first place.

    With that being said, I would hope it remains on future models.
     
  3. Jul 22, 2009 #63 of 124
    GreenMonkey

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    Like others we use it for zooming letterboxed SD fairly regularly and preserving 4:3 once in a while (I HATE stretchy-vision).

    It would be nice if you could use aspect control on HD stations. Some HD stations are worthless to me - TNT-HD, TBS-HD, etc - because they stretch 4:3. Ugh.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2009 #64 of 124
    bankshot

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    We use it all the time (well, ok, I use it all the time; the wife rarely does, and never seems to mind - or notice - when the picture is stretched a bit. Drives me nuts!). For our unusual situation, the fact that I have to use this button at all is one of the few major annoyances since switching to TiVo.

    Our TiVo is hooked up to 2 TVs - 16:9 in the family room and 4:3 in the bedroom. The TiVo is too dumb to realize that HD outputs should assume a 16:9 display and SD outputs should assume a 4:3 display, and letterbox content appropriately on both. Our crappy old Time Warner DVR did this so you never had to think about it.

    Instead, when I go to the bedroom, I have to set Aspect to Panel. When I go back to the family room, I have to set it to Full. Back and forth, all the time. Additionally, in the family room, I have to change my TV's aspect ratio to 4:3 when watching a SD channel. The old TW DVR did all of this perfectly - I never had to change a setting once.

    I've tried every combination of settings for TV Aspect Ratio and Video Output Format, hoping to find one that would Do The Right Thing. Sadly, none does. The best I have is 4:3 TV Aspect Ratio and 1080i Fixed Video Output Format.

    When we eventually get a flat panel in the bedroom, all of this should go away. We'll either setup the TiVo for a 16:9 display and be done with it, or who knows - maybe we'll get a second TiVo at that time too. Probably a few years off. For now, the Aspect button gets a daily workout.
     
  5. Jul 22, 2009 #65 of 124
    MikeAndrews

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    Magic 8 Ball say "Yes."

    There's needs to be another power button for the AV receiver or a macro capability.
     
  6. Jul 22, 2009 #66 of 124
    naranja

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    16:9. Use it every day to zoom analog cable channels.
     
  7. Jul 22, 2009 #67 of 124
    Amnesia

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    16:9 Television. Don't use the button (it's set to "Panel").

    HD programs show up full screen (the way they're supposed to). SD programs show up with pillarboxes (the way they're supposed to). Don't understand why anyone would do things differently.
     
  8. Jul 22, 2009 #68 of 124
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That's not stretch, that's zoom. Stretch is when a regular 4:3 image fills a 16:9 screen--i.e., it stretches horizontally but not vertically.
    Because sometimes you get a 4:3 letterboxed program.
     
  9. Jul 22, 2009 #69 of 124
    Amnesia

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    That sentence doesn't make any sense.

    I assume you're talking about windowboxing, not letterboxing. The only programs you get letterboxed on a 16:9 TV are ones shown in 2.35:1 (not 4:3).
     
  10. Jul 22, 2009 #70 of 124
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The final effect is windowboxing. But the image is a 4:3 letterboxed image, with bars only on the top and bottom. When you watch it on a 16:9 screen in panel mode, the TV (or TiVo) adds bars to the sides.

    So the sentence makes perfect sense, if you read it carefully.
     
  11. Jul 22, 2009 #71 of 124
    bsd

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    16x9 TV. Set to 720P or 1080i fixed (depending on TV).

    I leave on Zoom for SD content, but I use aspect to look at a crawl on the bottom of the screen for SD content or if details are at the very top or bottom of the screen. I wouldn't be happy if there wasn't a button for changing on the fly.

    -Brett
     
  12. Jul 22, 2009 #72 of 124
    WhiskeyTango

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    16:9 TV. I never use the Aspect button, my TV has an Automatic setting that adjust the picture size and fills the screen. When I do press the Aspect button, nothing changes on screen.
     
  13. Jul 22, 2009 #73 of 124
    morac

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    I very rarely use the TiVo's ASPECT button as I prefer to use my TV's zoom/aspect button to change aspect since it does a better job of scaling and it also can zoom HD content.

    Every now and then I'll use the TiVo's Zoom functionality instead of my TV's, but the TV's is still better.

    I have a 16:9 TV which, prior to 11.0, would display the TiVo's 480i/p SD content at 4:3. Because of a change in 11.0, the TiVo now outputs all 480i/p content at 16:9, presumably to make it easier to use the TiVo's ASPECT button. This forced me to manually set my TV to always display 480i/p content from the TiVo at 4:3, so I can continue to use the TV's zoom/aspect.
     
  14. Jul 22, 2009 #74 of 124
    morac

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    I do not want any kind of automatic zooming feature. If one is added, there must be a way of disabling it.

    As of 11.0, the TiVo is already overriding the aspect for SD programs by always outputting 480i/p content at 16:9 (with black bars depending on the aspect setting). I can at least work around this by manually setting my TV back to 4:3 mode, there would be no work around if the TiVo started automatically zooming SD content.
     
  15. Jul 23, 2009 #75 of 124
    fallingwater

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    The present button works and isn't broken. Therefore the only reliable way for TiVo to fix this outrageous situation is apply for a government grant from the stimulous package to hire at least 50 software engineers to research all possibilities for improving ASPECT functionality, including AUTOMATIC ZOOMING and AUTOMATIC ZOOMING OVERRIDE.

    TiVo is significantly better right now than Moxi is regarding ASPECT and ZOOMING, and they've gotta' stay competitive!
     
  16. Jul 23, 2009 #76 of 124
    retired_guy

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    I frequently zoom letterboxed programs on my 65" 9x16 set; use panel otherwise to avoid "full's" distortion and "zoom's" loss of top/bottom edges of picture. By the way, this is a LasorVue Mits set and the picture quality is really great.

    I use "full" for SD non-letterboxed programs on my 32" 9x16 set. Using the full screen improves visibility for the smaller screen TV and makes up for the distortion.
     
  17. Jul 23, 2009 #77 of 124
    wdave

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    This. The only time I've tried to use the Aspect button, it didn't do what I wanted it to do. I want to be able to un-stretch HD content that was filmed in 4:3 and they're stretching it to fill the screen for me. Ugh. I'd rather have it look like Panel, windowboxed. So I'd like to squeeze it back to 4:3. But I can't do that.
     
  18. Jul 23, 2009 #78 of 124
    rocko

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    You can use your TV's aspect/size button to do that. As you've discovered, TiVo's aspect button does nothing on HD channels.
     
  19. Jul 23, 2009 #79 of 124
    wdave

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    My TV won't un-stretch HD content and squeeze it back to 4:3. Are there really TVs that will? I'm skeptical.
     
  20. Jul 23, 2009 #80 of 124
    rocko

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    I set the TV to display Panel (or whatever puts up the sidebars) to squeeze the crappy stretched SD stuff like A&E and TNT HD use.
     

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