Advertisements I can only imagine the warm (rather, flaming hot) reception your post received over on DBSTalk. BTW, same here. I started with DTV back in 1994-1995, then got a Sony SAT-T60 when they came out. I remember paying like $400 for it. And I paid another $249 for lifetime TiVo service. I thought my wife was going to KILL me. But after a week, I was deemed a consumer electronics God. Like you said, the combination was light years ahead of anything else available. Then last year we were deciding to make the jump to HD. I thought we would be upgrading our dish and getting a HR10-250. But after some quick research (yes, the HR10-250's were pricey and seemed to be in high demand at that time), it became clear what DTV's plans were. I knew what I wanted to do. DTV is nothing to us without TiVo. Like you said, they are a pipe. That's all. So I explained to my wife that if we wanted to keep TiVo, and go HD, we'd need to get an S3 and switch to cable. I explained the costs involved, and she didn't flinch in the least. Since then, with online scheduling and Unbox, etc., my title of consumer electronics God has become permanent. We added a second S3, and just recently, a TiVo HD. Looks like we are with cable for the next several years. We are very happy, Comcast has been supportive and helpful with cablecards (we had a couple of bumps with the first S3, but smooth ever since). If DTV had made other plans regarding TiVo, this would have been a much different story. To the tune of us still paying them $1000-$1200 a year. Cable is actually cheaper for us since we've ditched DSL and combined cable modem internet and phone on our Comcast bill. So I guess you could say that DTV screwed SBC (AT&T) as well. The best part of it was that my wife made the cancellation call to DTV. It was so funny. She just kept saying stuff like, "why would you do something so dumb, and you are really stupid to let TiVo go." We still get calls from DTV to this day asking us to come back. I politely say no, but if my wife takes the call, it's more hilarious ridicule from a passionate consumer.