Are they trying to Drive customers away?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by nelsonrl, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. Jon J

    Jon J Curmudgeon TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Music City USA


    Maybe I could get you to do battle for me. I was informed last week that DTV started the clock on a new 2 year programming committment after the Protection Plan replaced a failed HR10-250 last April. I'm in the throes of trying to get that committment removed. No luck yet. :thumbsdown:
  2. JoeSchueller

    JoeSchueller New Member

    Jun 16, 2004
    The problem for the CableCo's is that, while they don't actually COMPETE, they also can't COLLABORATE. The only way the situation you describe works is if a 3rd party buys the rights and sells it independently to the CableCo's or the NFL elects to manage deals with multiple vendors. This isn't going to happen. While the rights to broadcast the game are owned by the NFL, they'll be the first to tell you they don't have the capability to actually broadcast the games. For that, they rely on the networks to handle covering the games. This, of course, represents such a good deal to the networks, that they gladly pay to do so. Furthermore, since D* is in the business of rebroadcasting in all the NFL markets, they have centralized access to every game every week. They're the only ones (besides Dish) who can claim this, so it is simple for the NFL to bid this out between D* and Dish. Cable co's would individually have to set up infrastructure to get the games not intended for their local market(s) each week. While not technically difficult, it requires new franchising agreements and other capability that would drive the collective cost up to make it difficult to match D*'s offer.

    Don't forget, D* just passes the cost of the ST licensing and bandwidth to the consumers, so as long as people will pay for it, they do have very deep pockets.

    The problem that we're really talking about here is CHOICE and COMPETITION. Politicians have found it far easier to line their pockets with the cash from the copyright cartels and telco monopolies than to provide consumer choice. If we really could choose to buy the content we wanted for the device(s) we wanted, via the distribution method(s) we wanted, I doubt D* or the CableCo's would be in business long without SIGNIFICANTLY rethinking how they treat customers.

    People without choices aren't customers, they're constituents.
  3. HomieG

    HomieG Nowhere Man...

    Feb 17, 2003

    I've had a Comcast/Motorola 3412 for 3+ months now. Zero problems. Yes, many others did suck. And this cable DVR records real HD, not the crap that DirecTV wants you to believe is HD. But since you said because the cable DVR usually sucks, and that isn't absolute, I won't argue ;)

    I agree with so many who imply that DirecTV is losing it. In the last six months I've heard a lot of people switching back to cable. Sure they're not ST fans, but not everybody is. Eventually the NFL will license ST to cable's in their greedy self-interest to do so. There are still many more cable subscribers than satellite subscribers, so there's a fan base they aren't reaching, and eventually will. But that's a guess at best. Time will tell.
  4. SpankyInChicago

    SpankyInChicago New Member

    May 13, 2005
    Good points. I should have given the technology aspect a little more thought.

    I still think that DirecTV shouldn't assume a lock on that product. If someone else in the market thinks they can make money doing it, they will compete. In addition, if one of the few things keeping DirecTV from sinking is holding onto NFLST . . .
  5. JoeSchueller

    JoeSchueller New Member

    Jun 16, 2004


    Lucky for me, the total implosion of the Packers has obliterated my need for Sunday ticket. If it wasn't for ESPN college football and basketball, I'd be considering dumping D* all together and going with a combo of OTA and BitTorrent on a HTPC.
  6. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Cable has been catching up no doubt. And if they are a better option then you'd be dumb to not switch. If cable was a good option in my area I'd be looking at it too. And that is still the story for much of the country, cable still sucks unless you are lucky.

    It's already a known that DirecTV and Dish are starting to hit the wall with new subs and there isn't much market left to grow. So it's simply going to be churn between the 2 and cable and FIOS in the future to whom can offer the best channels at the best price for each individual and that will be different for everyone from area to area and what their interests are (NFL ST for example).
  7. John T Smith

    John T Smith New Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    Vancouver WA
    Had DirecTv for about 10 years with very few problems... occasional signal fade due to heavy rain or snow (Washougal WA) but overall very happy with the service, and wife was THRILLED when I replaced 3 of the 4 regular boxes with DTivo so SHE could figure out how to record a show and not have to call me over to start the VCR

    Sold house last fall and living in rental while we build (in Vancouver WA) and now using Comcast cable and their DVR boxes... they work "ok" most of the time, but there are actually MORE signal problems with cable than we had with satellite

    I wired the new house (central distribution panel with a Spaun 2x12 multiswitch, to have 2 coax to each of 6 locations, only 4 will be active) and have purchased a new HR10-250 for the theater room wife added to the new house... still only planning on SD signal, but with 200 hours of recording time on the HR10-250, we will be able to build up a LARGE library of recorded movies to watch in our new theater

    Having had DirecTv and now on Cable due to being in a rental... I can say that DirecTv w/Tivo is FAR better than Cable w/DVR

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