Are Sci-Fi Fans Cheap Bastards or Just Too Few?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by retrodog, Jan 24, 2010.

Why isn't Scy-Fy only Science Fiction?

Poll closed Feb 3, 2010.
  1. Sci-Fi fans don't spend enough money to support a channel

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  2. There aren't enough sci-fi fans to support a channel

    16 vote(s)
    16.3%
  3. Science Fiction sort of sucks

    6 vote(s)
    6.1%
  4. Science Fiction that is shown on Scy-Fy sucks

    22 vote(s)
    22.4%
  5. What??? I thought World Wrestling and killing dragons was science fiction.

    4 vote(s)
    4.1%
  6. The people who run Scy-Fy will sell out to anyone with some money

    48 vote(s)
    49.0%
  1. pteronaut

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    I would think that many Sci Fi fans are tech savvy and have ways to watch shows without commercial interruption or quickly skirt commercials, therefore the Neilsens for Science Fiction shows might indicate that advertisers would not be served well by buying slots within such shows.
     
  2. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    Fair enough, but are there any shows on the Food Network now that have absolutely nothing to do with food?
     
  3. daveak

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    Star Trek (Classic) :D
     
  4. bengalfreak

    bengalfreak Active Member

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    I agree for the most part. But specifically, the Food Network shifted focus because its ratings were off significantly. I believe Sci-Fi was experiencing similar issues.
     
  5. bengalfreak

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    Is there any programming, whatsoever, on MTV that has anything to do with music?

    My point is, that if there isn't ratings improvement, there will be programming that has nothing to do with food.
     
  6. bicker

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    Right now, Food Network is showing "Get Ripped in 90 Days".

    To be fair, Syfy is also showing infomercials right now, but if we want to compare like-to-like, Food network has 5 1/2 hours of infomercials overnight, while Syfy has only 4 hours. There's your ECW different, and then some.
     
  7. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    I can't get bent out of shape about the wrestling. ECW is SyFy's highest rated show. It's helping to subsidize the sci-fi shows that SyFy does broadcast.
     
  8. Steveknj

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    So what IS a Star Trek Movie? It had the name on it, all the real characters, a sci fi premise. Can't there be different levels of Sci Fi? Like there are war movies, sitcoms, or whatever? Not every type of Sci Fi has to be heavy into the technology or the mythology. Some can just be fiction losely based on science, right? I think it's a bit snobbish to think that the ONLY sci fi is the one that the die hard fan believes is. It's like saying that someone who watches the Yankees only 50 games a year can't be a fan, only the person who watches EVERY game is.
     
  9. Steveknj

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    What does that say about this niche? Are Sci Fi fans watching ECW? Are non Sci Fi fans watching ECW and sticking around to watch the rest of the shows? That's the key to me, is ECW REALLY helping the rest of the shows.
     
  10. bicker

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    However, keep in mind that the channel isn't provided solely for you. Ostensibly, every channel is "for" the benefit of its owners, and pleasing viewers is a tool to achieve that end. So in the context of what cheesesteak was saying, the fact that ECW brings in lots of money, that may help keep Syfy as Syfy, instead of it becoming, let's say, NBC's version of SoapNET.
     
  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    But ultimately if they alienate their core viewers, isn't that counterproductive to making money on a channel called Sy Fy? Might as well change the name to something more general.

    I'm still curious, what is your background again that makes you an expert on the TV businsess, more than anyone else here? You speak as if you are an insider.
     
  12. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Why do sci-fi fans and wrestling fans have to be mutually exclusive? I don't watch wrestling any more but for years I read, watched and supported sci-fi and also watched wrestling. I'd hazard a guess that most wrestling fans also like sci-fi. The opposite may not be true though. I'd see a problem if SyFy started broadcasting secondary wrestling shows but they don't as far as I know.
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Because science fiction fans have brains?
    Oops.

    :D
     
  14. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Hey. I resemble that.
     
  15. bicker

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    Not even a little, when the "core" is exceedingly small, and the broader group around the core is comparatively large. And they actually know the extent to which that is true.

    That may not be true. There may be great benefits to capitalizing on the name even if the content doesn't meet your personal set of criteria for qualifying for the name. All that matters is whether that broader group around the core I alluded to above resonates enough with the name to justify its use.

    I'm smarter than you. :)

    Seriously, WTF made you think to ask something as ridiculous as that? Let's play it this way: What's your insider credentials? :)

    Even more seriously, my background is in business management. That's as much detail as I'm willing to provide you without a RFP.
     
  16. That Don Guy

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    Actually, there is no such thing as a "Sci-Fi fan", as a "real" science fiction fan considers the term "sci-fi" an insult (I think the preferred abbreviation is SF, or just call it "science fiction"), the way Star Trek fans don't like being called "trekkies".

    As for wrestling, there is serious talk of WWE getting rid of the "branch" of wrestling that is currently on Syfy, although whether or not it means wrestling will leave the channel entirely (as opposed to, for example, having a show similar to the one on WGN which is pretty much "just wrestling" while the main shows deal more with the "storyline" aspects) remains to be seen.

    -- Don
     
  17. bicker

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    There are also almost surely other networks that are interested in stealing ECW away from Syfy. It makes money, and could really help any cable network in the same way it helps Syfy.
     
  18. That Don Guy

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    ECW's future isn't Syfy's call - it's Vince McMahon's. The show has always been ridiculed by wrestling fans as not being "the ECW of old" (and considering WWE's return to a "family-friendly" format (read: "a product that mothers won't prevent their tween/teenage sons from watching" - last year was the first time in a long time WWE did not have a Playboy issue, and they have gone to showing highlights in black and white whenever there is blood), and now that the last link to the original ECW has left WWE, there isn't much need for a show that waters down the product.

    (If Syfy really wanted a good SF show, it would have outbid Comedy Central for the rights to make new episodes of Futurama...)

    -- Don
     
  19. retrodog

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    I didn't mean that the recent Star Trek movie wasn't Science Fiction, I was referring to the nature of it being more of an action movie than what it was originally intended. Action was added to TOS to get the Western fans to watch. They had to do that in the 60s when Bonanza and Gun Smoke were the general favorites. This new movie was made too mainstream and high action to be true to the original intent. Not a big deal, just a purist issue.
     
  20. sieglinde

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    Considering that a number of fans go to expensive hotels to attend SF conventions, I would not call the group cheap. One of the writers inherited the Doheny fortune (Larry Niven) so he at least is not poor. I think the advertising problem is in the non-comformaty of the typical SF fan who does not care if he or she is wearing the latest fashion or driving the coolest car.
     

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