ARCHIVE THREAD: Old TiVo Programme Listings/Schedule Errors

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  1. Toothy

    Toothy is not a TiVo fanboy

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    I have missed yet another episode of Five Live Formula One due to a SP not catching all episodes. :mad:

    As I mentioned above 5LF1, is regularly moved around but poor data from Tribune is breaking this SP.

    It's normally broadcast on Fridays...but this weeks airing, (according to a paper listings mag), was moved to the previous day. :(

    TiVo is only catching one airing a month.....which really isn't acceptable.
     
  2. Toothy

    Toothy is not a TiVo fanboy

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    That doesn't make any sense. :confused:

    If Sky listings are provided by each channel/broadcaster and Tribune gets their listings direct from each channel/broadcaster....why are Sky listings correct and TiVo listings wrong??? :confused:
     
  3. AMc

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    If I understand it correctly on sky the channels include their listings with their broadcast stream - sky don't do anything but send whatever the channel provides.
     
  4. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Sorry :( That's what I meant.

    Because, if MotorsTV's Sky EPG was wrong it would cost them a lot of money. Not so with TMS. Just my guess and not base on anything :)
     
  5. scoopuk

    scoopuk TiVo from week 1

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    Postcode: S2
    Service: Telewest Digital
    Channel 138 Bravo
    Date: 20/9/4
    Time: 10:30 - 11pm

    TiVo listings show "Downloaded" - but Bravo's own website, and digiguide show a programme called "Premiership Diaries"

    See: http://www.bravo.co.uk/schedule/index.html?offset=2
     
  6. sanderton

    sanderton TiVoer since 11/2000

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    Becuse the system they use to upload the listings to the EPG, and the system they use to send listing to Tribune are evidently not the same.

    The channels upload their listing directly to the EPG themselves, not via giving a set to Sky.
     
  7. lcsneil

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    Postcode: W62
    Service: SkyDigital
    Channel 854 BBCR4FM
    Date: 21st Sep
    Time: 18.30 - 19.00

    But still not correct as I thought this was meant to be a new series?

    Original Air Date Mon 3rd Mar 2003
    Genres Comedy, Science Fiction
    Type Series
    Channel 854 BBCR4FM
    Showing Date Tue 21st Sep 18:30


    Neil
     
  8. scoopuk

    scoopuk TiVo from week 1

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    Postcode: S2
    Service: Telewest Digital
    Channel 515 Sky Sports News
    Date/Time: All

    The listings are very out of date, I appreciate the channel mainly just shows nonstop sports news and hardly changes, but there are programmes like Soccer Saturday and Sky Sports News at Ten.

    All Tivo's references to "Euro 2004 Report" are months old.
     
  9. mrtickle

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    The OAD there is only ever used by TiVo for a "First Run Only" season pass (to separate out old and new episodes both being broadcast concurrently, eg Simpsons on Sky One). So in this case it doesn't matter, only a tiny tiny fraction of your SP's need to be "First Run Only" and check the OAD. 3rd Mar 2003 would be the date Tribune first added this series to their master database, perhaps there was a run of repeats of the earlier episodes on BBC7 at that time.

    I have the same problem with Five Live Formula One. I know it's not a solution for everyone but I download (yes download using a freeware tool called Net Transport, not stream) the episodes from the BBC's listen again website instead.

    (Hi).
     
  10. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Welcome back MrT! Where've you been? How've you been? etc :)
     
  11. mrtickle

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    Busy. ok ta. Back to business!

    Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
    Channel name/callsign: BBC Radio 4 (BBCR4FM)
    Channel Number: 854
    Programme Name: The Film Programme
    Time/Date of airing: Saturdays 17:30-17:54


    This programme used to be called "Back Row" but it has been re-branded/re-launched by Radio 4 as "The Film Programme". Back Row is no more! Sat 4th Sep was the last ever "Back Row". (I've only just discovered this)

    For the last two weeks "Back Row" has been in my ToDo list and then removed at the last minute, and the recording history says "no longer in programme guide". There is another series "Film Programme" which has no upcoming episodes.

    To fix this please can you either
    a) rename the "Back Row" series to "The Film Programme", or
    b) rename the "Film Programme" series to "The Film Programme" and fix the guide data so that the Back Row series isn't being scheduled.

    Ta.



    Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
    Channel name/callsign: BBC Radio 4 (BBCR4FM)
    Channel Number: 854
    Programme Name: Just a Minute
    Time/Date of airing: Until Sunday 26th Sep: Mondays 18:30-19:00, repeated the following Sundays 12:00-12:30


    The Sunday re-run of each episode is missing from the Season Pass. TiVo has "I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue" in that timeslot instead which isn't right.

    NB: Monday 20th / Sunday 26th is the last in the current season on Radio 4. This error has been here since the start of the season on July 12th - no-one else noticed? ;)



    Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
    Channel name/callsign: BBC Radio 4 (BBCR4FM)
    Channel Number: 854
    Programme Name: I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue
    Time/Date of airing: From Mon 27th Sep: Mondays 18:30-19:00, repeated the following Sundays 12:00-12:30


    See above - the Sunday 26th episode should not be here, it should be an episode of "Just a Minute".

    The template for 27th Sep/3rd Oct is correct.


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    Are we any closer to Episodic guide data for (some) radio series? It could be pretty much automated with the Monday/Sunday repeats having the episode title of Monday's date. It just seems a shame that some Episodic data is being supplied (the description of every Just A Minute is currently "Nicholas Parsons hosts this verbal duel from Edinburgh", which was the Monday 6th Sep episode), but because the Season Pass isn't set as episodic it always overwrites the description of all the other showings (including the BBC7 archive episodes).
     
  12. sjp

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    i think it's getting to the stage that we should consider ourselves lucky if radio4 listings are anywhere near accurate. if they are corrected it's no more than a few days in advance.

    for example... the next 2 sundays have no mention of desert island discs whatsoever and the friday repeat episode data is the guest from august 1st. i fully expect next sundays episode to appear but with how many/few days before the broadcast?

    again, if digiguide can get it right why can't tribune.

    ENTERTAINMENT: Desert Island Discs
    Channel: BBC Radio Four 854
    Date: Sunday 19th September 2004
    Time: 11:15 to 12:00 (Already shown)
    Duration: 45 minutes.
    Sue Lawley's castaway this week is the mountaineer and author Joe Simpson.
    (New Series, Repeated Friday)

    ENTERTAINMENT: Desert Island Discs
    Channel: BBC Radio Four 854
    Date: Friday 24th September 2004
    Time: 09:00 to 09:45 (starting in 4 days)
    Duration: 45 minutes.
    Sue Lawley's castaway this week is the mountaineer and author Joe Simpson.
    (Repeat)

    ENTERTAINMENT: Desert Island Discs
    Channel: BBC Radio Four 854
    Date: Sunday 26th September 2004
    Time: 11:15 to 12:00 (starting in 6 days)
    Duration: 45 minutes.
    Sue Lawley's castaway this week is wildlife campaigner Virginia McKenna.
    (Repeated Friday)

    ENTERTAINMENT: Desert Island Discs
    Channel: BBC Radio Four 854
    Date: Friday 1st October 2004
    Time: 09:00 to 09:45 (starting in 11 days)
    Duration: 45 minutes.
    Sue Lawley's castaway this week is wildlife campaigner Virginia McKenna.
    (Repeat)

    Excerpt(s) taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.digiguide.com. Copyright ©1999-2003 GipsyMedia Ltd. Information copied from DigiGuide cannot be re-distributed, sold or used without prior written consent from GipsyMedia Ltd. All rights reserved.

    p.s. welcome back, hope you haven't been in jail/hospital/iraq/manchester ;)
     
  13. aerialplug

    aerialplug Serious TiVo User

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    Postcode: ME6
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    BBC Radio 7 - many programmes listed this week as "To Be Announced". Specific example - Day of the Triffids serialisation - I've now missed several episodes because of this.
     
  14. mrtickle

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    Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
    Channel name/callsign: BBC Radio 4 (BBCR4FM)
    Channel Number: 854
    Programme Name: Quote Unquote
    Time/Date of airing: From Mon 27th Sep: Mondays 18:30-19:00, repeated the following Sundays 12:00-12:30

    Whoops, sorry. Please allow me to correct myself from the other day - this should be a new series of Quote Unquote, and not I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.


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    Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
    Channel name/callsign: BBC 7 (BBCR7)
    Channel Number: 881
    Programme Name: The Harpoon
    Time/Date of airing: Thursdays 14:00-14:30, repeated 21:00-21:30

    This programme is missing from the guide data. The guide data has "The Sunday Format" which finished its run on 5th Aug so has been wrong since 12th Aug :(
     
  15. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Now now! You really can't complain about TMS making mistakes if you can't even get the info right yourself :p :rolleyes: :eek: ;)
     
  16. mrtickle

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    Indeed. I am hanging my head in shame as I speak. I stress that I'm not pointing the finger at Tribune, it is often something else in the chain. Just want to enable them to check with the source and end up with correct data!

    (Hmm. Checking guide data is much less painful with a cachecard :D )

    There are a few stations that seem to have little or no guide data - just wanted to check that this is known about?

    On the Sky Digital lineup,
    166 OVRLD - no guide data (Ah. Just looked. This probably doesn't need guide data!)
    247 CLASSIC - Classics TV - no guide data
    413 MOTORS - Motors TV (already posted about in this thread)
    423 GOLFTV - Golf channel - no guide data
    853 BBCR3 - BBC Radio 3 - the guide data runs out after Friday 1st Oct, same as BBC TV One/Two/Four. This is good! Personally I much prefer having no guide data in the third week than the system used for Radio 1/2/4/5/6/7 - guide data based on templates which are then overwritten (or not! :( ) with hundreds of updates closer to the broadcast date.
     
  17. Gadgeteer

    Gadgeteer New Member

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    UK LIVING
    Show: CHARMED
    Date/time: ONGOING & FREQUENT (SEVERAL TIMES A DAY)

    I have a season pass for this, for first runs only.

    The data does not have any specific show information and so it gets treated as a first run.
    Big problem, its on 4 times a day during the week and at weekends 7 times a day!!
    I just seem to spend all my time deleting it out of my guide.

    Latest ones I am deleting now are for Fri 8/10/04, Sat 9th, Sun 10th and Mon 11/10/04.
    There were obviously earlier ones, but they have already been taken out.
    If I don't catch it, Tivo misses a whole load of other season passes having a lower priority.
     
  18. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I have previously reported this problem.

    Have you tried just leaving them there. You might find that the correct programme's are removed nearer the air-date as the schedule is filled in with the correct info :)
     
  19. sanderton

    sanderton TiVoer since 11/2000

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    British Isles: A Natural History
    BBC1
    Wednesdays from the 29th

    Not season passable. This is the most heavily promoted new BBC series of the new season!
     
  20. Adder

    Adder New Member

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    Re: MOTORS TV

    I've badgered in their web forums that their Head of Programming frequents, but further pursuasion/reminders to whoever normally supplies the listings at Motors might be useful.

    I've not really used my TiVo since the Motors listings went as I really don't have the time to set up about 10 manual recordings a week... :(

    Motors may have struggled for listings for a bit as they had a contractual dispute with a programme provider, this has now been resolved with the result that they will not be showing anymore Australian Motorsport this year. :(

    Now they know this they should be able to firm up their schedules.
     
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