Apple TV Rumor Mill on Fire/this the end of TiVo???

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Joe3, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Nice couple of noids you have there. I doubt very seriously that TiVo would leave themselves open to serious legal action by violating their own privacy agreement. They make it attractive to opt in by only supporting the online SP manager if you do so.
     
  2. Grakthis

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    Want to put money on that?
     
  3. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    No, literally, a handful of TV manufacturers announced there was no future in Smart TVs.

    They didn't stop making the ones they already have, but they aren't pursuing new innovation in them.
     
  4. jtreid

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    Hardly a "noid" as you call it. If I sit in a mall and watch how many redheads go by and tally the color of their shoes and then publish my findings, I have not violated anyone's privacy. If Tivo tallies how many subscribers get a SP for a particular show and sell that to the broadcaster, they have not violated any privacy either.

    Read this directly from the Tivo Privacy Policy and tell me that I am paranoid.

    Summary of the TiVo Privacy Policy

    TiVo knows how important personal privacy is to you, so we have designed our system and established strict policies to help protect the privacy of your Personally Identifiable Viewing Information. In summary, we want you to know that:

    The TiVo DVR collects certain types of information from its users, including Anonymous Viewing Information, Diagnostic Information, Commerce Information, and Service Information (each as defined below).

    Unless you specifically give prior consent, TiVo does not collect or access any Personally Identifiable Viewing Information (as defined below) from your TiVo DVR except as necessary to provide service to Your TiVo DVR. Without your consent, TiVo does not keep track of what shows you — as an individual or household — have watched, recorded, or rated with "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down."
    TiVo does collect Anonymous Viewing Information; that is, information about viewing choices made while using your TiVo DVR, but that does not identify you as an individual or household. In other words, there is no personally identifiable information associated with your Anonymous Viewing Information that could identify the Anonymous Viewing Information as coming from you or your household. You can elect to block TiVo from collecting Anonymous Viewing Information.

    TiVo also collects Diagnostic Information from a small number of randomly sampled TiVo DVRs for quality control purposes. If you subscribe to the TiVo Plus Service and don't want your Anonymous Viewing Information and Diagnostic Information used in any way, simply tell us by writing to us or calling us at 1-877-367-8486.

    If you affirmatively elect to engage in a commercial transaction such as responding to an advertisement or promotion, TiVo will collect and disclose your Commerce Information (as defined below) to the commerce partner fulfilling the transaction.

    If you affirmatively elect to use the Online Scheduling feature or download content such as video podcasts to your TiVo DVR using a TiVo content delivery service ("CDS"), TiVo will collect the Personally Identifiable Viewing Information associated with fulfillment of your individual request(s). Use of the Online Scheduling feature or content delivery service does not change your privacy preferences with respect to viewing choices made in the privacy of your household. Use of other advanced features, however, may require you to change your privacy preferences.

    TiVo intends to make available new services in the future. These services will be governed by the privacy policies of the respective service providers.
    Note to Customers with more than one TiVo DVR: Generally, TiVo will cause all of all the TiVo DVRs on your account to have the same "opt" status. See Sec. 2.7 of the Privacy Policy for further details.
     
  5. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Tivo Plus Service?
     
  6. gonzotek

    gonzotek tivo_xml developer

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    TiVo 'Basic' was free level of service some dvd-recorder models had in the S2 era. Weaknees has a chart here about half-way down the page showing the differences between plus and basic:
    http://www.weaknees.com/burner-faq.php
     
  7. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Oh. I remember Tivo Basic. I just don't ever remember anything being referred to as "plus".
     
  8. ldhurley

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    You mean just like the camera they included in I Pad!!
     
  9. lpwcomp

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    If you think they actually keep track of every FF, RW, skip, etc., for every user or even all the time for any users, then you are indeed paranoid. As far as the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction, even TiVo says it was from 20,000 randomly selected users and even if they still do it, is most likely only used during selected events. It's way too much data to acquire and keep for little gain.

    "I'm not paranoid, but I know everyone thinks I am."
     
  10. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    What difference does it make?? That's just as "bad". If that is true, Tivo isn't sharing which events it's capturing the data so as far as the user is concerned every recording is subject to this.
     
  11. ort

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    The trick to bringing smart TV or an amazing internet streaming tv service to the masses isn't pulling it off, it's overcoming the impossible mountain of licensing and media companies who will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

    The future is inevitable, but it's going to take a while to get there and it's going to be messy.
     
  12. lpwcomp

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    So call the listed number and opt out. And before you say it, I think there should be an opt out option on the web as they implied there would be.
     
  13. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Personally, I don't care. I would rather they give me a discount to opt in. I think it's great data to have and they should do something with it. Nielsen is such an outdated beast. Tivo can provide much more accurate and detailed data.
     
  14. jtreid

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    You keep right on drinking that cool-aid. It's just right.
     
  15. wmcbrine

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    Or, like me, you've seen the actual logs from an actual TiVo box.

    It's not even that much data. If you think about it, you can go from several minutes to hours not using the remote, even while actively watching.
     
  16. jtreid

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    So are you opted in or out? If out, what do you see in those logs?
     
  17. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    Neither, I'm opted neutral (the default state), where the data is collected anonymously. I doubt that opting out stops it from logging, anyway (only from passing on the log).

    What you see is a timestamp, with an indication of what button was pressed. It's been years since I saw it, so I don't remember enough to give you more details.
     
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    What's the problem with opting in? I did that the first chance I got. Even if they associated my name with the info I don't think it's a big deal. It doesn't matter to me if they know what I watch, skip etc.. If they could tailer things specifically toward what my tastes are I would prefer it any way.
     
  19. daveak

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    I'm opted-in. I want my tastes to effect advertising dollars and show retentions. At least for the shows I like. :) Chuck is on its fifth season, what more can I ask for? So maybe my clicks are meaningless in the scheme of things, but maybe it counts for something.
     
  20. djwilso

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    I'm opted-in too. I don't see a problem with it.
     

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