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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bradleys, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. morac

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    Netflix seems to focus less on that one big hit, despite having a few, than throw as much up on the wall and see what sticks. They seem to green light everything for a season or two no matter what it is.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I've thought about this too and I can see Netflix's brand evolving, to an extent, into being an international TV service. Netflix customers in the US should expect to see a growing percentage of content, including Netflix Originals, that originate in other countries and are often shot in languages other than English (with subtitles or dubbing).
     
  3. NashGuy

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    Yeah, but I'm not sure that that strategy is serving them well any more. There seems to be growing opinion that Netflix has a whole bunch of mediocre stuff and also that they tend to cancel a lot of their series (even ones with passionate fan bases, like The OA) after a couple of seasons.
     
  4. Bigg

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    There's the new Breaking Bad movie, and a bunch of other shows that I've heard people talking about, like Dirty Money, Rotten, Dark Tourist, Marie Kondo, American Factory, Mindhunter, Fyre, etc. HBO gets some love too, virtually nothing else does. John Oliver is key for HBO, without him, they're in trouble.

    That's an interesting point. Movies create a lot of buzz, but then it's over.
     
  5. Adam C.

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    Agreed, and this is exactly why I cancelled Netflix. I got tired of searching for 10 minutes to find a movie that sounded good, only to find that it's dubbed over in English.
     
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  6. Adam C.

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    Agree with this point also. They seem to have a lot of quirky, niche-type programming that seems to be most popular among younger viewers and people that really don't use any other type of TV service (so Netflix is pretty much all they have to choose from).
     
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  7. MassMan

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    Naming convention bothers me. When searching for info on the hardware Apple TV vs search for info on the service Apple TV plus, + just blows...Yeah not a big deal in the scope...
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Hmm. I know what those shows are but I don't feel like I've seen much talk about them in the media/online or among people I know, other than Marie Kondo for a little while there.

    Seems like Watchmen are Succession are both getting a lot of buzz and acclaim right now, and His Dark Materials too, to a lesser extent. Bill Mahr continues to be talked about. We'll see if Westworld gets back on track and generates excitement when it returns next year. I think HBO is doing fine and will likely beat Netflix at next year's Emmys once again.

    Well, they CAN create a lot of buzz, but if they're not released in theaters and they don't get advertised -- which is the case for most Netflix original movies -- they're just tiles that scroll by on the home page.
     
  9. trip1eX

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    Yeah there's lots of shows. Narcos and it's sister series Narcos Mexico or whatever it's called. There's one with Jason Bateman and Lauren Linney that is going on 4 seasons.

    There's a lot. I watch a ton of foreign shows whose names all run together.

    And lots of stand up comedy specials. There's just a lot of content.
     
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    A 2TB iCloud, music, books, tv, new, arcade, movie rentals for $79-99/month
     
  11. Beryl

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    Anything over $10/month is hard to swallow so if HBO Max offers similar discounts, I may bite. I’ve been subscribing to HBO an average of 3 months per year for over a decade. Most months were gratuit from Comcast.

    I’m paid up on Netflix til June thanks to 50% off gift cards. Apple TV+ is essentially 20% discounted (if I choose it over other Apple content). Amazon Prime is an entirely different animal except they occasionally offer sweet deals on streaming channels.
     
  12. Bigg

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    We must live in different worlds in terms of media, but when my friends talk about "TV" it's almost always Netflix or HBO. There really isn't anything beyond that.

    I'm a Bill Maher fanatic, but I listen to him via podcast, as you don't need to watch 95% of the show to get it, and there's just too much to watch. He does have a loyal following, like John Oliver. The problem with a lot of their shows is that they are on 10 weeks out of the year, versus John Oliver and Bill Maher who are on 10 months out of the year. I believe Silicon Valley is in it's last season, GoT is gone, Veep is gone, and they had an incredibly funny show in The Brink that I don't think many people watched, and they gave up on after a single season, which was really sad.

    Far as I can tell, Netflix movies create more buzz than theaters since they are much more accessible to a lot more people more quickly.

    Comedy is a big one too. My dad watches those all the time.

    They need to get the whole bundle under $200/year.

    This made me think about how much content is out there. I think a big headwind to retaining and gaining new subscribers is that there is just so much content out there. It's easy to see something interesting but not bother subscribing for it because you've already got so much on whatever you're subscribed to now, or conversely, drop existing subscriptions when you get a new one because there is so much on.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    Heh. If you think Netflix movies generate excitement, then yes, we do live in two different worlds. I never hear anyone talk about Netflix movies, with rare exceptions. For the most part, they're today's version of "straight-to-video" but with a few high-profile exceptions sprinkled in, like Roma and The Irishman.

    Yeah, I think the future of TV is that most people won't subscribe to all the major streaming services, at least not at the same time. So it will be increasingly likely that others you know won't be watching the same stuff you're watching around the same time because you won't be subscribed to the same services then. At a given moment, you might have Netflix, Hulu and Disney+ while I have HBO Max, Showtime and Prime Video.
     
  14. Charles R

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    I have noticed a big swing towards stars plugging their streaming movies on talk shows. A-listers as well those not quite so famous. To a large extent the topics (endlessly debated here) are not marketed to us (in most cases relatively old folks per se). We aren't the target market and as such our beliefs (even understanding) is far from reality. Now my two nephews are another story...

    Regarding Netflix with well over 50% of their subscribers overseas again looking at the US market (only) is rather tunnel vision.
     
  15. Beryl

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    We live in different worlds then.

    Everyone I know either subscribes or has access to Netflix. I disagree that folks don’t talk much about the original movies. When They See Us”, “Birdbox”, “Roma”, “The Irishman” .....among others... were talked about for some time.

    Many watch blockbusters movies on Netflix instead of going to theaters. True, they show up on HBO faster than Netflix but folks who don’t want to pay for theater tickets don’t want to pay for HBO.

    People talk the most about the series they binge watch on Netflix. Folks who don’t want Hulu wait for popular TV seasons to appear and enjoy domestic and foreign content like Ozarks, Wentworth and 3%. (The loss of all new Marvel content is significant, however.)

    I don’t disagree that HBO Max will do quite well though and will replace Netflix in some homes. However, I agree with the analysts that the price should top off at $12. $15-$16 is too much.
     
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    I can’t speak for others but I’ve had Netflix, Hulu and Prime for years and have no plans to change that. I also have Disney+ for the next 4 years and AppleTV though maybe not much going forward as it seems it would be an excellent one to turn on to binge watch.
    And of course, you’re opinions on how and who is going to be the big players in streaming going forward disagrees with mine. For instance, you are pretty positive that ATT is going to be one of the big dogs in it, and that might happen. But it isn’t going to be with anything like they are peddling to the streaming market now. HBO Max to me looks to be another one good to sign up a couple times a year for a month at a time and binge watch, not to keep going for the whole year.
    I think as the various channels shuffle where and how they will stream that the cable/sat replacements will have a tough road to hoe.



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  17. wco81

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    AT&T has bungled their TV efforts. Uverse went nowhere. Then they buy DirecTV and now they're urged to sell it off.

    They launch streaming services and then raise prices over and over again, which leads to big subscriber losses.

    Now they're going to probably dilute the HBO brand. Probably would launch a dozen Game of Thrones spinoffs if HBO didn't push back. As it is, they're going to put some crappy shows under the same umbrella as the HBO prestige shows.

    But I can kind of understand the HBO Max pricing, because they already charge $15 or more for HBO with most MSOs and I heard they plan to maintain HBO Go and HBO Now even after HBO Max launches. So unless they want to devalue HBO subscriptions, they have to start out at $15.

    If they deliver UHD HDR for HBO Max, then I can see a lot of people who get HBO through MSOs cancelling their existing subscriptions and going to HBO Max.
     
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    Yeah, I guess so. I wouldn't call my friends average by means, but it's interesting to hear different people get excited about different types of TV content.

    As it is, no one can keep up with the sheer volume of new content coming out. I have people recommending me stuff all the time. It will just get worse when people have different subscriptions.

    How'd you get Disney+ for 4 years? All the deals I've read about are a year. However, I'd agree on Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu. More and more of the stuff I watch is YouTube. I might get CuriosityStream and Nebula, and I love the documentary content, but for now, I really only pay for Netflix. I share it with my dad, and I have his HBO login from Comcast. Beyond that, Amazon Prime is free, since I pay for shipping anyway, and I have Hulu bundled with Spotify, which I pay for anyway, on top of Slacker, which I was going to cancel, but they gave me a year for $20 or $25, which is worth it IMO.

    I agree. HBO Max should be at the $8/mo price point, not double that. The problem is, they can't do it, as it would undermine their MSO partners.
     
  19. NashGuy

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    Most everyone I know has Netflix too but again, I never hear folks talking about their original movies. As far as the specific ones you listed, those are the same few that I had also cited (except for When They See Us, which is a mini-series, not a movie) as breaking through the noise and getting some level of media attention. But still, not on the level of big theatrical releases.
     
  20. NashGuy

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    Saying that HBO Max is going to be a big dog isn't a stretch. Consider that regular HBO already has about 35 million US subs, which is more than Hulu has. More than any pay TV services except Netflix and Prime Video (which would have FAR fewer subscribers if it weren't packaged in with Prime free shipping). The handwriting is on the wall that regular HBO will be phased out, with its subscribers all eventually transitioned over to HBO Max, which will carry the same price as HBO but have over twice the content, including everything in regular HBO. HBO Max isn't starting at zero, like Disney+ or Apple TV+.
     

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