Apple TV Plus

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  1. Apr 8, 2019 #81 of 144
    smark

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    I think it's the fact that Spotify is available on more devices either via an app or Spotify Connect. Which is true compared to AirPlay (though that is expanding).
     
  2. Apr 8, 2019 #82 of 144
    d_anders

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    Yes, Apple Music can only be played on a very limited number of devices (this walled garden)...and yes, that appears to be finally changing.

    Same has been true to access ITunes movies etc...though that’s finally changing too


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  3. Apr 8, 2019 #83 of 144
    Fofer

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    I can use the Spotify app itself to send music to my Sonos speakers and I have been able to use voice commands to control Spotify via Alexa and I have access to Spotify on every screen and speaker. I can’t say the same about Apple Music. I think that’s what is meant by “walled garden.” The walls are higher, and slower to get over, that’s all.

    I also find Spotify Connect to be far more usable and versatile than AirPlay.

    Spotify also offers collaborative playlisting, which is a real differentiator. It’s shocking to me that Apple *still* hasn’t added this.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2019 #84 of 144
    trip1eX

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    Oh I guess I didn't see the problem since the guy had iphones and ipad and Mac etc.

    Nevermind Apple mUsic has been on Android for 3.5 years. iTunes been on Windows for forever. You can use Apple Music via Sonos etc.

    And then a few months ago they announced they putting Airplay/itunes app on tvs going forward.
     
  5. Apr 8, 2019 #85 of 144
    Fofer

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    It’s the “etc.” that matters though. You can only use it via the (less capable) Sonos app itself. You can’t do voice control of it via Alexa to Sonos (yet?)

    The devil is always in the details.
     
  6. Apr 8, 2019 #86 of 144
    trip1eX

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    According to Sonos: You can use Apple Music app to airplay to Sonos speakers. And use Siri now to control your Sonos. And even switch to Alexa for some things from what I read.

    As far as comparing music services. I'm sure there are pluses and minuses to both. My kid prefers Apple Music because of the UI. He's used both. I've only used Apple Music. It plays music. :)
     
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  8. Apr 8, 2019 #88 of 144
    smark

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    Unfortunately AirPlay to Sonos takes away from the beauty of Sonos where it direct plays so you aren't burning phone battery using AirPlay/Bluetooth.
     
  9. Apr 8, 2019 #89 of 144
    Fofer

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    Or interrupted by phone calls or text notifications. Or other media someone stumbles on (inadvertently or otherwise) on the host device. Or the host device leaves the network. The stream is completely dependent on the host device.

    Sure, AirPlay is great as a “plan B” but independent device streaming (a la Sonos, Chromecast, or iTunes Store purchases on AppleTV) is far better, in my experience.

    Both Spotify and Pandora have native Sonos control directly in their respective apps. Using AirPlay as a bridge for Apple Music to Sonos speakers that support AirPlay is nice and all, but it’s just not as good.
     
  10. Apr 8, 2019 #90 of 144
    trip1eX

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    Sure but too dramatic. From what I read Apple Music now has more paid subscribers than Spotify. I don't think these things are keeping people away from the service. :)

    Maybe because not many have relatively expensive Sonos speaker setups. And many are using their phone to control their Sonos anyway. I mean only the newest versions of Sonos speakers can be controlled via voice directly. This started ....last year I think?

    But the whole pt was the walled garden comment about Apple Music seemed off to me. It's on other platforms. And you can hook up a phone or computer to any speaker pretty much.
     
  11. Apr 8, 2019 #91 of 144
    Fofer

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    I don't think you're understanding the distinction here. Using the phone to control the Sonos (for browsing, and play/pause/next commands) is world's difference from the entirety of the audio stream coming from the phone itself.

    When you're hosting a dinner party and the music is completely interrupted because someone calls your phone, the distinction is clear. Turning on Do Not Disturb mode is a sad workaround. iOS needs to handle this better. A DJ mode, perhaps?

    And besides, Spotify Connect works on many more devices than just Sonos (including TVs, AV receivers, as well as cheap Echo speakers.)

    Whether or not "these things are keeping people away from the service" has no bearing on me. I've used both services extensively and know which one works best for me (in the real world.)
     
  12. Apr 8, 2019 #92 of 144
    trip1eX

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    The pt is Apple Music doesn't strike me as a walled garden. I can take nearly any Android phone or Windows pc and connect it to virtually any stereo system and play Apple Music. :)

    and, btw, you don't have to use your personal phone to play Apple Music. I mean I have at least 5 old phones sitting around here. Any of which I could turn into a dedicated Apple Music controller if I wanted to do so. I have a pc and a Mac as well that can do the job.

    Also most people that owned Sonos before streaming became as widespread were playing some music off their phones already which is the same difference as far as the music traveling from your phone to Sonos goes.

    It's not that big of a deal. As you said it's just your personal preference. You don't care how the market votes.
     
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  13. Apr 8, 2019 #93 of 144
    realityboy

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    Alexa can now play Apple Music on the Echo Dots*. Is that not the same on the Sonos?

    * Presumably other Alexa devices, but I’ve only used in on the Dot.

    Edit: I see they did not add Apple Music to Sonos when they rolled it out to other Alexa devices. That’s disappointing.
     
  14. Apr 8, 2019 #94 of 144
    Fofer

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    All good points. Thanks for sharing. Yes, everyone has a different set of priorities when it comes to this sort of thing.

    Apple Music was on Sonos well before Apple Music was rolled out to Alexa devices. But voice control via Alexa is a different thing. And yes, not all of the features on Echo devices (like Dots) get rolled out uniformly to third-party Alexa-enabled devices (like Sonos speakers.) Some features (like "followup" mode) eventually arrive later. Some features might not arrive at all (like messaging or "drop in".) We've been told that Alexa control for Apple Music on Alexa-enabled Sonos devices is on the way, though.
     
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  15. Apr 8, 2019 #95 of 144
    Bigg

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    I'm not saying that a bundle would or should be cheap coming from Apple, but it needs to exist so that the service is "stickier". They should also through Apple News Plus in there in addition to AppleCare Plus, Apple Music, iCloud, and Apple TV Plus.

    Agreed, although I've also moved away from the iPhone as the hardware has fallen so far behind Android, especially in terms of the RF performance. I love my Note 9 with it's SD845 and Qualcomm X20. The thing is a total beast in weak signal areas where iPhones would have little or no service with their inferior Intel radios.

    To be fair, there really isn't any equivalent on Android, and you can make a local device backup, and let your cloud backup service slurp that up.
     
  16. Apr 8, 2019 #96 of 144
    wco81

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    I am not likely to subscribe to a music streaming service but I might to this Apple TV +, if the shows they're developing turn out to be good.

    Anyways, the "walled garden" critique is that Apple doesn't allow some other apps. or services to be run on their devices. So for instance, no side loading like Android, all apps. have to be approved by Apple to go on the App. Store.

    The "walled garden" isn't Apple products and services not being available on other hardware. So they've made iTunes and some other apps. and services available on Windows and Android. But they have no obligation of any kind to make it available on every device or OS. They have the right to assess the business case for putting their software on other hardware.

    Now, some argue that people who buy Apple devices should be able to run any software they want, even if there are security risks or whatever. Well for people who believe in that right strongly, they are free to buy other hardware. Apple isn't forcing you to buy their hardware and run only software that they bless.

    Similarly, Apple isn't forcing you to get Apple Music on your Android phone. They offer it, see if you will like the service, even if you don't buy their hardware. I would assume the video service will be similar. They want to reach people beyond their hardware installed base. But they're not forcing you to buy an Apple TV or an iPad to get this video content.

    The "walled garden" connotes there is some kind of coercion involved. If that was the case, you'd think some govt, the EU if not the US, would make an antitrust case against Apple.
     
  17. Nov 4, 2019 #97 of 144
    Beryl

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    Just subscribed to finish "See" and also enjoyed "Elephant Queen". No interest in the other current content. $5 is a little high but not unreasonable (a cup of Starbucks coffee).

    I wish other streaming services would lower their prices. Netflix and Amazon Prime have enough content and services to justify their prices, but the rest (including HBO) should be capped at or below $10, IMO. Otherwise, customers like me will only subscribe a couple of months per year.

    (The price of CBSAA w/o commercials is insane.)
     
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  18. Nov 5, 2019 #98 of 144
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    The reason for a what you call walled garden is to limit the devices that Apple writes software too. This means they don’t have to write software that has to run on a wide variety of devices. In doing so that can make sure that the drivers for the video chips and audio chips and all the subsystems on the motherboard work together.
    This is also true for viruses by limiting how one can load software on iPhones you keep them off peoples phone.

    You can’t say anti trust as Apple does have competition in the smartphone business and does have a commanding
    Lead in the phone space.
     
  19. Nov 5, 2019 #99 of 144
    NashGuy

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    HBO is going in the opposite direction: rather than lowering their price, they're going to offer more than twice their current amount of content in the upcoming HBO Max service but still charge the same $15 price. And it'll be a broader array of stuff too. It'll be more like Netflix, a one-stop-shop that, at least for some, could serve as a full replacement for cable TV (except for live sports and news).

    I agree about CBSAA, though. It's too expensive given what it offers when compared to Hulu, Netflix and Prime Video. I look for them to eventually fold in all that content from the Viacom channels (Comedy Central, MTV, Nickelodeon, Paramount, etc.) now that CBS and Viacom have re-merged. If they did that and held the version with ads at $6/mo, the same as Hulu, it would be a pretty competitive offering.
     
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  20. Nov 5, 2019 #100 of 144
    Adam C.

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    I usually only keep Netflix for about 3 months out of the year. I'm sure many people do the same. What Netflix should do is offer an annual plan similar to Amazon. Offer a 10-20% discount for people that pre-pay for the entire year. In the long run I'll bet they would make more money.
     
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