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  1. Apr 6, 2019 #61 of 144
    trip1eX

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    So Apple brings Airplay to TVs and then Netflix stops Airplay support. Weird timing.

    Don't think it has much to do with ATV+. I don't see the connection. Amazon has a competing service. I don't see Netflix not supporting FireTV or anything. Netflix still has an app on ATV.

    Either Netflix just dropping support because it isn't used. Or possibly they see a lot of support calls on the horizon as Airplay comes to tvs and they don't want to provide that support.
     
  2. Apr 6, 2019 #62 of 144
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, likely. And since everything but your toaster has its own native Netflix app running on it anyway, there's not a huge need to cast Netflix.

    But it does, IMO, kind of underscore Netflix's arrogance. They're very popular and they know it. They don't have to go out of their way to support any particular platform; rather, platforms need THEM. "Would you prefer to pay for Netflix through your iTunes account? Too bad, you'll need to subscribe directly through our website. You'll figure it out because you can't live without us. Would you like to browse some of our content in a UI outside of our own app? Sorry, we need total control, you'll need to come inside our app, which is really the only app you should ever need, because we're building what is, in effect, a single-channel replacement for the existing cable TV system."
     
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  3. Apr 6, 2019 #63 of 144
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    Except Netflix rather famously doesn’t support Apple’s current “TV” app, either. The connection is there, and it’s very obvious that Netflix doesn’t appreciate Apple encroaching on (what they believe to be) their “territory.”

    Perhaps Apple just buys Netflix next, and fixes these “technical limitations” :)
     
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  4. Apr 6, 2019 #64 of 144
    NashGuy

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    A recent WSJ piece on Apple revealed that they did, in fact, discuss buying Netflix while sorting through their options on how to move forward in TV. They passed then and I doubt they'll ever change their mind and do it.

    Netflix today has this aura of invincibility because they're so big and crank out so much new content and they've become so ingrained in the culture of younger Americans who "Netflix and chill". But I do wonder if they'll look the same way five years from now after competing OTT services from Disney, WarnerMedia, Amazon and Apple have matured. In the mean time, a whole lot of Netflix's catalog of licensed content will have disappeared, gone to those other services, leaving them with mainly just Netflix's own original series and films. Just take movies, for instance: once their deal with Disney expires soon, there won't really be any recent theatrical movies coming to Netflix. Are people really all that excited about the likes of Bird Box, Triple Frontier or another Adam Sandler movie whose name you don't recall? And they won't be making any series or movies with established characters from Marvel, DC, etc. Just their own stuff. Netflix is sort of a like a store that's transitioning from carrying lots of name brand products to a store where everything is their own store-brand.

    I'm certainly not predicting that Netflix is going to crash, I'm just saying that I don't know that they'll always be the one streaming service that everyone thinks they have to have. It's still early days in the evolution of TV from traditional broadcast/cable to OTT streaming. Apple knows this and I think they're playing the long game.
     
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  5. Apr 6, 2019 #65 of 144
    morac

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    Netflix is saying this is why they disabled it as they claim that they can’t tell what device is being AirPlayed to and they can’t certify all devices that support AirPlay, so they simply disabled.

    Netflix abruptly loses support for Apple AirPlay (updated)

    That seems like a bogus reason since Netflix supports Chromecasting to various devices.
     
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  6. Apr 6, 2019 #66 of 144
    Fofer

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    It’s not a feature I would use for long form or episodic content — simply because AirPlay isn’t an independent stream, and therefore it’s prone to interruption. Especially if you fiddle with the mobile device that’s doing the sending.

    But it sucks that Netflix has taken this feature away from people who did use and appreciate it. Especially travelers :(

    Perhaps this will compel Apple to make AirPlay (3?) work via independent streams, like how Chromecast works now, and how iTunes Store purchases work now, too. It feels like a smarter method. At least for video streaming, IMO.
     
  7. Apr 6, 2019 #67 of 144
    Bigg

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    I agree. They're a bit annoying in terms of not integrating with other platforms like Amazon, Apple TV (app), etc. They also just raised their prices AGAIN, they're at $15.99/mo now, and it's annoying that you have to buy the 4 stream package just to get UHD. I wouldn't be surprised to see Netflix lose subscribers. What that means for profitability, I'm not sure, it may still be a net gain. I think we're going to see a lot more people jumping from one service to another on a regular basis.
     
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  8. Apr 6, 2019 #68 of 144
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    Apple event was kind of a zero, to announce things without specific launch date or pricing.

    Maybe they're still trying to negotiate with other providers but they locked in the celebrity guests to appear this time of the year.

    But really, launching their original shows in the Fall means much greater competition than launching in the spring or summer.

    Who knows if they will be successful but they just overtook Spotify in music streaming in the US. They only need to convert 5 or 10% of the installed base into subscribers of their video service to have 50 million or more subscribers. So some Wall Street analysts have said they could have 100 million video subscribers in a few years.

    They will need at least a handful of hits from their slate of original shows.
     
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  9. Apr 7, 2019 #69 of 144
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    That strikes me as a very astute summation of the state of play. I would add, however, that no one can accurately predict what the field will look like five years from now given the rapid rate of change we are witnessing.

    I may very well not be a typical viewer, but Netflix and HBO have captured meo_O. I started out as a "combined unlimited DVD by mail and streaming" Netflix subscriber (for $9.99 p.m.) in 2010 and--except for a two-year hiatus in 2011-13 in protest at the clumsy and ill-advised Qwikster fiasco--am still on board at the current monthly fee of $25.98 for unlimited Blu-ray/4K streaming. And after many years of free or virtually free ($1.00 p.m.) HBO via Comcast promotions, as of this month I am starting to pay full freight ($15.00 p.m.) for Comcast's HBO premium channel.

    My point is that each of these services offers enough high-quality programming that, once I was lured in by the free or reasonably low pricing, they had me hooked as a consumer. And they have changed my viewing habits inasmuch as I watch much less content on the cable channels (and nothing at all on the broadcast channels other than an occasional sports event) in favor of what I would consider the superior original content found on Netflix and HBO (not to mention Amazon Video as well).
     
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  10. Apr 7, 2019 #70 of 144
    trip1eX

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    That's basically cabletv for us nowadays. Netflix and HBO.

    I only have "real" cable tv these days for sports.
     
  11. Apr 7, 2019 #71 of 144
    NashGuy

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    Yeah. I wonder what Netflix's long-term plan is? It seems to be to keep upping the amount of original content they produce and likewise to keep upping the subscription price in order to pay for all that content. That's the wrong strategy, IMO. I'd prefer that they produced fewer shows -- just funding their A and B-grade ideas -- as opposed to throwing money at a lot of Cs and Ds too. Spend less, charge less, and offer less new content but with a higher average quality. Yes, there's always something new to watch on Netflix but I'm increasingly seeing a bunch of stuff that I'm not interested enough in to even sample. And of the stuff I do watch, I'm increasingly thinking "OK, I was interested enough in it to finish it but I kinda wish I'd spent those several hours watching something else."

    Why Too Much Original Content from Netflix is Bad for Subscribers
     
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  12. Apr 7, 2019 #72 of 144
    NashGuy

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    I think, per rumors that had been floating around for some time, that Apple had originally expected to launch Apple TV+ this spring, so that was the basis for setting a March date for the introductory event. But then things were running behind, as they do, and they had to go ahead with the event because you can't necessarily get Spielberg, Oprah, Jennifer Anniston, etc. to all reschedule on the same date a few months later.

    I think Apple may still be trying to figure out their go-to-market strategy for ATV+ too. I still don't think they're going to have enough content in the early days to get many people to actually pay for it. I suspect nearly everyone who has it, for the first year anyway, will get it for free because they subscribe to some other Apple service (e.g. Apple Music, iCloud, etc.) or because they own an Apple device.
     
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  13. Apr 7, 2019 #73 of 144
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    That's a good assessment. If you look at what people were saying in 2014, no one could have predicted where we are today. Now, it's clear that a lot has changed, and a lot is going to change, but where the market ends up is still to be determined.

    I completely agree. In the first couple of years of original content, it was mostly A-grade content, with a bit of B-grade, now it's all over the map, and the interface has become hard to navigate through with the amount of junk that's popped up. There are a small number of shows that everyone is talking about, and a whole lot of junk. They also need to carefully consider how much true crime content they put out, as that could turn into a PR nightmare if more is written about that weird obsession.

    Apple needs their version of the Prime bundle. Their services strategy looks like a mess because they don't really HAVE a services strategy. They need to bundle AppleCare+, Apple Music, iCloud, and ATV+, and then have a second tier that also includes the iPhone leasing program.
     
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  14. Apr 7, 2019 #74 of 144
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    "Need to?" No, I don't think they need to do that. We might like for them to do that, but they don't need to.
     
  15. Apr 7, 2019 #75 of 144
    Bigg

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    Well, they don't need to do anything. They don't need to release a new iPhone, they don't need to improve the Mac lineup, but all of these things need to happen if Apple is going to be successful in those spaces. Right now, they are trying to pivot towards services, and if they are going to be successful in that market, they need to offer bundles to draw people in and get them onto a steady monthly payment for something that is very sticky. One service alone isn't sticky, a bundle is very sticky.
     
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  16. Apr 7, 2019 #76 of 144
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    Agree that bundles would make sense, but they have never offered anything ever reasonable with their pricing...and I am Apple hardware fan.

    That said, I have always been Leary of their services. Don’t use Apple Music because it’s been a walled garden unlike Spotify and Pandora....

    I don’t buy/use iCloud storage because they should give the same amount of total cloud storage amt as the hardware device so that cloud backups could be really viable. Their cloud storage and experience is not at all premium, just mediocre and poor and priced not accordingly.

    So Instead I use google and amazon to back up my files and pics in the cloud, and use my Mac to do full encrypted backups of my iPhones and iPads (which save all data, passwords, health data, etc).

    I don’t see much hope they will offer anything reasonable in terms of pricing for anything coming up including bundles (if offered), but I would always welcome the chance to be delighted....and that hasn’t happened much from them lately.

    Everything I like about the ecosystem and their os/hardware integration is about 5 years old now...



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  17. Apr 8, 2019 #77 of 144
    randian

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    That seems as good an explanation as any. Their claim that they needed to "certify the experience" was laughable on its face.
     
  18. Apr 8, 2019 #78 of 144
    mschnebly

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    Apple TV with iCloud is the only thing Apple that I've ever had but... because of how well that device works and how much we like it, I have started to wonder about trying some of their other things like Apple music and possibly even trying an iPhone someday. A bundle of some kind might just be something that would get me to try those other things.
     
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    Is that an autocorrect error or was your phone perhaps on an LSD trip?:cool:

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  20. Apr 8, 2019 #80 of 144
    trip1eX

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    I use Apple Music. Not sure what your "walled garden" comment refers to. I just stream music with it. It's priced the same as Spotify afaik.

    I pay the $3/mo for 200gb icloud storage for our phones. The convenience factor is hard to beat. Tempted to to $10/mo for 2TB and put Mac content on there.
     
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