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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bradleys, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. Apr 1, 2019 #41 of 144
    PJO1966

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    In my experience the streaming copies have the same Extras as physical disks.
     
  2. Apr 1, 2019 #42 of 144
    Series3Sub

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    In my experience, not often enough--in fact, well in the minority.
     
  3. Apr 1, 2019 #43 of 144
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    I chucked the cases and, eventually, artwork for music cd's, put them in cd sleeves and Snap-N-Store boxes from Staples. A few years ago, I did rerip the classical albums.
     
  4. Apr 1, 2019 #44 of 144
    dadrepus

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    Thanks. This is what I was told by my friend who buys digital instead of physical. He didn't get the extras that I get with the physical copy. I didn't think he would lie to me.
     
  5. Apr 1, 2019 #45 of 144
    Fofer

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    Which digital retailer does he buy from?
     
  6. Apr 1, 2019 #46 of 144
    NYHeel

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    But it's not always available legally, unless you're willing to pay. Sure libraries have great content and are sometimes overlooked. But frequently the good material isn't readily available for a long time or at least a little while after the DVDs come out. I can potentially see subscribing to different services in different months and watching the back catalog for each service in 1-2 month increments.
     
  7. Apr 2, 2019 #47 of 144
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, I think rotating between streaming services is not uncommon, at least among non-cable TV subscribers. Churn is definitely an issue for those services since it's so easy to drop and add them. I noticed recently that Starz (streaming) is offering the option to sign up for a year at a discounted rate ($75 for 1 year vs. $9/mo). I wonder if we'll see more of that sort of thing going forward.
     
  8. Apr 3, 2019 #48 of 144
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    Showtime is $110/yr I think. BAsically 2 months free compared to their $11/mo rate.
     
  9. Apr 3, 2019 #49 of 144
    Joe3

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    Of course we will, their goal is to lock us in so we can pay for their service when there is nothing on it that's worth watching. They can't have us sending a message with our feet as we cancel and say, bye-bye. What do you want them to answer to their idiot investors, "We can't go back to the good old days."
     
  10. Apr 3, 2019 #50 of 144
    NashGuy

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    Offering a discount to subscribe for a longer period isn't the same thing as locking you in with a contract (which is what satellite and some traditional cable TV services do). Starz isn't forcing customers to sign up for a year in exchange for a 31% discount off the monthly rate. But, for loyal Starz customers, it's certainly a nice option to have.
     
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    Joe3

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    I'd check fine print that I believe will be very wet. (ಥ﹏ಥ)
     
  12. Apr 4, 2019 #52 of 144
    quackman

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    I will be very interested in the Tivo app on ATV. The video quality on my ATV is so much better than my Tivo Bolt. I'm finding myself watching more and more programs and sports streaming on ATV instead of watching on Tivo with Comcast.
     
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    Last December I took advantage of a STARZ promotional offer for six months @ just $1.00 p.m., but I cancelled last month when I changed my Comcast CTV sub to a Preferred Blast! bundle that includes STARZ (150mbps HSI plus Digital Preferred TV tier @$49.99 p.m.).
     
  14. Apr 4, 2019 #54 of 144
    NashGuy

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    I'm pretty sure that when the Bolt serves up live or recorded TV to the forthcoming TiVo apps for Apple TV, Roku, Fire TV and Android TV, it will be relying on the same tech that it currently uses to stream content to the TiVo mobile app on iOS and Android. So that means a max resolution of 720p. Video probably won't look as good streamed from the Bolt to an Apple TV as it looks coming directly from the Bolt itself. However, if you mainly use the Apple TV anyhow, you may find it more convenient just to launch the TiVo app on there to watch a recording here and there as opposed to switching TV inputs and remote controls to use the Bolt.
     
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  15. Apr 5, 2019 #55 of 144
    quackman

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    So, do you think then that the video quality on OTT services on ATV 4K, such as Hulu or YouTubeTV, will be better than the the Tivo app? I recently used these and other OTT services during their trial periods and found that the video quality was a lot better than on the Tivo bolt with Xfinity cable. I'm not sure how much of it is because of the ATV 4K device itself, or the resolution of the OTT services. Maybe a little of both?
     
  16. Apr 5, 2019 #56 of 144
    NashGuy

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    Yes, definitely. The video quality of those OTT services is better than Comcast cable TV to begin with, even if you're watching Comcast on the Bolt. Streaming Comcast TV, whether live or recorded, from the Bolt to the TiVo app on Apple TV definitely won't make it look any better. If anything, it will make it look a little worse. We'll have to see when the new TiVo app comes out.

    It's not really about the hardware quality of the TiVo Bolt vs. the Apple TV. It's all about the video quality provided by the OTT services vs. Comcast cable TV. The OTT services use better encoding with less compression while Comcast over-compresses their channels, making for video that looks soft and, at times, pixellated. Also, the OTT services stream channels in either 1080p or 720p (depending on the original resolution that the network offers), while Comcast just broadcasts all HD channels at 720p.

    On the other hand, Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound is common across Comcast cable channels while it's still somewhat limited on those OTT services like Hulu and YouTube TV (but becoming more common). So while Comcast loses the picture quality battle, I'd say it's still ahead when it comes to sound quality.
     
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  17. Apr 6, 2019 #57 of 144
    chiguy50

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    While I agree with your statement of Comcast's unfortunate video transmission methodology, lately I have found the resultant PQ nonetheless to be quite good on many programs. Just last night we were watching a recording of the SyFy channel's Happy! and I was struck by the sharpness of the image (particularly facial close-ups). Some of that may be due to my use of a Darbee Darblet video processor, and not all channels appear to be equally clear, but I believe Comcast has made some improvements in their PQ over the past few months.
     
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  18. Apr 6, 2019 #58 of 144
    NashGuy

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    That's good to hear! I honestly haven't laid eyes on any Comcast channels in a little while now, so my general opinion about their PQ is based on what I remember from over the last few years as well as what I read from Comcast TV subscribers around the internet. Maybe Comcast has improved their encoders.

    And, for the record, I do think that some of us exaggerate the PQ differences between sources sometimes; or perhaps I should say that some of us are more sensitive to PQ differences that an average viewer might find negligible.

    Lastly, this: I find that facial close-ups are the one of the least demanding types of scenes, for whatever reasons (probably in part because there tends to be little movement, good lighting and few background objects/surfaces with complex detail). When I'm watching a source with sub-optimal PQ/encoding, such as when I streamed Mrs. Wilson through the PBS app last night, I'll often think how much better the PQ is during facial close-ups.
     
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  19. Apr 6, 2019 #59 of 144
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    Netflix app for iOS no longer supports AirPlay; support document on Netflix site says Airplay is no longer supported due to "technical limitations." :rolleyes:

    Netflix App for iOS No Longer Supports AirPlay Because of 'Technical Limitations'

    Netflix app for iOS no longer supports AirPlay; support document on Netflix site says Airplay is no longer supported due to technical limitations

    Many are surmising that this is "payback time" for Apple's introduction of TV Plus.

    (Netflix also recently stopped using in-app subscription on iOS and tvOS. Apple will lose ~$350 million in App Store revenue as a result.)
     
  20. Apr 6, 2019 #60 of 144
    smark

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    Definitely suspect by Netflix. Good part is people will probably have the Netflix app on their TV but the walled garden approach is pretty crappy.
     

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