Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. Dec 7, 2019 #161 of 318
    trip1eX

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    Press down/scroll down on remote while watching the live show and move over to the “+” option and select it to “add to library” which is a euphemism for record and/or season pass.
     
  2. Dec 8, 2019 #162 of 318
    HerronScott

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    I didn't see this one mentioned in the lists of Pros/Cons and it would be a big con for us.

    Scott
     
  3. Dec 8, 2019 #163 of 318
    dlfl

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    FYI for those using YTTV app on Fire TV devices:
    Updated on 12/6/2019 to Ver. 1.5.64.0, described as "Support for Fire TV improvements and bug fixes". Can always hope this addressed the issue I had escalated recently in which several recordings would not play (spinning circles forever) until they were about a day old.
     
  4. Dec 8, 2019 #164 of 318
    dlfl

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    I just did this on my Fire TV app for a program ("Click") in progress on BBC World News. It did create a recording starting at the point where I did it, although it seemed strange to me the recording shows up in my library in the "Shows" section rather than in "New in your library". Maybe this was because the program in question was a repeat, which BBC World does a lot of?

    Also, although I had joined this program half way through, the live playback offered access via rewind to the entire program from its starting point. Given this, it seems like the "recording" could easily include the entire show, instead of just from the point where I added it to the library.

    Both minor points, I admit.
     
  5. Dec 8, 2019 #165 of 318
    samccfl99

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    I just checked that T-Mobile Home out and they want ALL of your info just to check availability. How fast could it be on LTE? Terrible in my location in Broward County, FL. When 5G comes, that would solve that problem, if there is one. In some places around here, I could get 20mb down (if the Speedtest app is correct...LOL). That would be enough to stream. But inside my condo, I am lucky to get 8 without wifi...:rolleyes::D
     
  6. Dec 8, 2019 #166 of 318
    samccfl99

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    I never said that. I know that data is taken up by streaming and not recording. Also YTTV is being watched much more than Netflix in most households, I am assuming. Too much Fake Fox News on that brain of yours (of which I do remember your username...:rolleyes::D). Figures. Sorry, but you said the F word...LOL
     
  7. Dec 8, 2019 #167 of 318
    JoeKustra

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    Could you explain where they are stored?
     
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  8. Dec 8, 2019 #168 of 318
    samccfl99

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    But you would lose recordings that you want to save doing it that way, but if you don't care about that, it would be a good deal to do it that way. I have about 20 cards in my drawer that WERE zero int and stmt credit promos, most that are still active...LOLOL. Also I live in a condo that pays for basic, hbo and the ridiculous "broadcast and regional sports fee"s and I think there is no data cap. I have tivos, my own modem and router for over 10 years. My bill has been real cheap, but Comcast, in their INSANE GREED, has retired my package, which I have been getting $30 a month promo for maybe 8 years. They have grandfathered it in and the new packages are even more expensive, like $95 for what I have and it used to be $50, now $80. I am poor now...LOL.
     
  9. Dec 8, 2019 #169 of 318
    samccfl99

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    Not sure if this was said, but today is the last day of a 3 week free trial. Also I found a coupon for 1 month trial (not sure if that works...NOPE, WASTE...)

    Also, there is NO CSPAN! It would be nice if they would put all 3 CSPAN channels in HD, something Comcast does not do, and they do "broadcast" in HD because all the Networks show it like that.
     
  10. Dec 8, 2019 #170 of 318
    mdavej

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    Kind of a bummer for me too. But I'm not willing to pay huge amounts of money for it (i.e., going back to cable or AT&T TV NOW). PLII is decent enough on the cable TV content I watch. I still have 5.1 on a lot of TVE content and on my OTA networks on my Recast.

    Youtube has claimed they're working on it. We shall see.
     
  11. Dec 8, 2019 #171 of 318
    saeba

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    Regarding lack of DD5.1.... I didn't include it on my list of pros and cons as I've simplified my home theater systems from AVR and 5.1 speakers to just a sound bar w/sub. I know this is heresy, but I really never heard much difference in most content between DD5.1 and just simple stereo.
     
  12. Dec 8, 2019 #172 of 318
    dlfl

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    I explained where (I believe) they are stored in post #125, which I referenced in my post which you only partially quoted. TL;DR they are stored in the cloud. "Your recordings" are really just a few flags and pointers, and I think most of that is in the cloud too.
     
  13. Dec 8, 2019 #173 of 318
    dlfl

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    After reviewing your post to which I was responding, I have to say my assumption of your misunderstanding seems justified. Sorry, maybe your brain has suffered from insufficient viewing of the F channel. :p

    I agree that most YTTV users probably use more streamed bytes than most Netflix users, and that can be a negative factor for some users (e.g., those with data caps). But the pipes are continually getting fatter and the cost per streamed byte is getting smaller. (This is true even though internet prices get larger.). My spectrum internet has no caps, and when I wanted to find out what my data usage was, just out of curiosity, I was told by a Spectrum chat person they don't even track usage. (I'm skeptical about that. -- I suspect they just don't want to bother making that info available to customers.)
     
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    JoeKustra

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    In the same post you posted that it's just like Netflix. So if I get a YTTV and my recordings are stored in the cloud, it doesn't use my internet bandwidth or count against my monthly cap? I'll need to check that.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2019 #175 of 318
    Steve

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    Recording won't count against your monthly cap. Playback will.
     
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    dlfl

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    I hope you do that. I'm only 99% sure that's the way it works. If you disprove my theory it will be a devastating blow to "my incredible powers of deduction" :rolleyes: (See post #125: Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo? )

    Of course the longest a recording is kept is 9 months and it can be less, depending on the terms YTTV has negotiated with the content provider. But as I understand it, there is no limit to the number of recordings, or the number of programs being simultaneously recorded.
     
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  17. Dec 9, 2019 #177 of 318
    hefe

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    Correct. It's all in the cloud, on YouTube's servers. You could set up a bunch of shows to record, and then turn off all your devices. When you turn them on and log in, all your recordings are available from YTTV online, and you can stream them to any device logged in to the service...a set top box, a phone or tablet, a browser...whatever.
     
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  18. Dec 9, 2019 #178 of 318
    mdavej

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    I can't quite tell if you're joking or not (I think you are). But the implication in the question was that when you record on YTTV (or any cloud DVR), that when making the recording, the program is streamed to your streaming device and back up to the cloud, then streamed to it again when you watch. The OP is simply trying to say that zero data is transferred to/from your streaming device DURING the recording process (unless you're actually watching at the same time). Nobody is saying that WATCHING YTTV doesn't use any data. That's ridiculous.

    There are systems like Channels DVR that do indeed consume bandwidth during recording since they must stream the program locally and screen-scrape every frame in order to save it to a local file. Obvious this will consume far more bandwidth than a traditional cloud DVR like YTTV.
     
  19. Dec 9, 2019 #179 of 318
    JoeKustra

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    No, not joking. Yes, learning. Thinking about it, I realized that since the content is not being viewed, it can be anywhere until needed. I guess I'm not too old to learn. It was the Netflix reference that threw me off.
     
  20. Dec 9, 2019 #180 of 318
    trip1eX

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    OK I experienced a couple of YTTV glitches/technical difficulties this weekend.

    First one was an NBA game didn't appear to record. I did find a game from the same teams a few weeks back. And thought maybe that was why it didn't record which wouldn't be good for sports. lol.


    But then under 'recordings' of that old game of the same teams I found the newest recording aka the newest game and could play it. (A lot of shows give you recording options under the show/episode icon- usually between voD vs recording or spanish vs english and now I guess between different dates of games in the case of sports.) Anyway I guess longer term I will find out if this a thing for same team matchups that were previously recorded. In the end I guess the result was the locating process of the recording was a bit more tedious.


    The 2nd issue, yesterday, was an NFL game yesterday had no picture. It had technical difficulties and the 2nd half was a yellow followed for 30 minutes followed by a technical difficulties acknowledgement. Happened to be the local NFL game - aka the one the highest priority game for me. :) The only good news was that the local team only scored 2 field goals in the 2nd half and still won so I didn't miss much. lol.

    But if the 2nd half was bad then...maybe their feed was bad for everyone?
     

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