Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by omelet1978, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. pl1

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    One other thing with NHL Hockey, the commercials are exactly 90 seconds apart, so 6 X 15 sec skip. (College hockey is 1 min. apart). The periods are exactly 20 minutes apart, so you can watch the progress bar for that. This works out fine for me.
     
  2. mdavej

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    This was my experience as well. But when I repeated it on another forum, another poster claimed he could pause live tv for at least 2 minutes. He confirm it was still impossible to ffwd/rew. Would you mind testing 5, 10, 30 minutes to see how big the buffer actually is? Back when I had AT&T after pausing a minute or two, the buffer got full and it would jump to live when you resumed.

    @lparsons21, if you know the answer, it would be greatly appreciated.
     
  3. lparsons21

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    Using the Osprey box you can pause/rewind/ff but it is only for a couple minutes. When I did a little rewind and then tried to pause again, it said it couldn’t because the buffer was full.

    So the short answer is that there is no effective pause/ff/REW for a live show.

    For a recording on the Osprey box you can pause/REW/ff just fine. Don’t know on other devices.
     
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  4. pdhenry

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    Did you previously mention that you're using a Fire Stick?

    My friend had a lot of issues with her Fire Stick (several apps, not just YTTV) connected via a FIOS modem/router. When she switched to a new router that she had bought her problems went away.
     
  5. moyekj

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    I do use a Fire Stick 4K. Guess we'll see. I purchased Nvidia Shield 4K today which is a "premium" streamer (with a premium price of $150), so we'll see if YTTV and other Apps fare any better. However it's very doubtful the playback related issues are Fire Stick related, especially the example I gave above with the NBA game randomly switching between games and jumping to end of stream. Also for cases where I couldn't start playback of a recording, my TS4K and CCGTV units as well as a PC browser also had exact same problems, so issues weren't specific to one device. At the same time other Apps such as HBO Max and Netflix and internet access in general worked fine, so doubtful the network is to blame. Also I have everything hard-wired, avoiding wireless.
     
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  6. moyekj

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    BTW, I just checked out the NBA recording again today and fast forwarded to where I recall the trouble spots were, and all issues seem to have been fixed now. Don't know if the trouble reporting I did was a factor in getting it fixed since as usual I received no feedback from YTTV.
     
  7. ncted

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    Whenever I've had problems with a recording on YTTV, I find that they are fixed at a later time. I always report the problem. Not sure if it is some automated system that fixes the recordings or what. Either way, better than what happened with a messed up recording on cable or satellite. It isn't perfect, but it is an improvement in some ways.
     
  8. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    yeah I have experienced the occasional hiccup on YTTV that was later not there. Also might help to restart the app or watch another recording for a second and then go back your first one.
     
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  9. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Oh to get related channels while you're watching something, swipe down (or press down) and then select "More to Watch." That will give you related channels, recordings, & on-demand. News gets other news. Sports gets other sports. Movies will get you other movies. ...

    The default selection when you swipe down while watching a show is "TV Networks" which shows other tv networks to watch without leaving your program. SEems to be a mix of recently watched, related, random or just straight from the guide. Hard to tell.

    As you swipe over every live channel you get a live thumbnail preview without leaving the show you are watching.
     
  10. windracer

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    I'm not seeing any evidence of a buffer with Live TV, no trickplay at all. From what I can tell on the AT&T forums, this might be a feature limited to AT&T's streaming hardware and not any of the apps.

    I'm still having the stream freezing issue all the time too. YTTV is rock solid with good PQ, ATTTV freezes all the time, mostly right on changes like between commercials or going from commercial back to show, which makes me think it's some sort of encoding issue.
     
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  11. lparsons21

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    I think it also allows for a short pause on the AppleTV too. But the 2 minutes is just crappy IMO.

    I’ve got YTTV, ATT TV and had Sling going for a bit this month. Sling does what you say you are seeing with ATT TV. For me, ATT TV and YTTV are both rock solid with some very rare glitches.

    I’m primarily using the ATT TV Osprey box these days. Got a couple from EBay a couple days ago for $55/each. For the hell of it I loaded YTTV and Sling on it. Sling did OK but was a tad slower than I’ve seen. YTTV loads up really fast and operates just as fast.
     
  12. lparsons21

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    In the interest of fairness, while I’m pretty much impressed with ATT’s quality of service and really like having DD5.1 audio, I’ve switched to YouTubeTV. Not because of anything the service wasn’t providing, but because my son, who shares service with me, wanted to shift to YTTV and was willing to finally pay 1/2 the bill! I’m never against saving money! :)

    I’m still not fond of the YTTV UI but as I’ve said in the past, I can deal with it. As it turns out, after adding in HBO/Cinemax to YTTV and my other services, the bill is actually a very few dollars cheaper. And since the other services lend themselves to binge watching, I can kick them on and off when I want to. I can also go back to using my AppleTV more since YTTV works with it a whole lot better than ATT’s app did.
     
  13. wendlan

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    I think this aspect of "cord cutting" is underreported. Now that streaming is mainstream, its prices are rising to match the actual cost of the content, and not underpriced just to get eyeballs (as it was in the beginning). Here's my point: some people are cutting cable not to save money, but because the alternatives are now better. My cable company will not support Tivo without extreme measures, and their own DVR is clunky and too expensive. OTT providers (like YTTV) have significant advantages over cable, such as: better search for shows, not reliant on any hardware to record, can seamlessly watch anywhere, unlimited tuners/DVR capacity, user profiles, seamless integration of VOD, etc. So personally, I would pay MORE for YTTV over cable as, in grand total (but not in all areas), it's better than cable.
     
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  14. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    Yes! I save at least $10/month's worth of my wife not complaining about having to switch inputs on the TV or AVR like she did with cable and satellite.
     
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    I’m not married, but I used to be so I fully understand that! :)

    Initially for me cord cutting was a lot about saving money and at that time there were plenty of providers willing to take losses to help in that. But I knew that at some point in time the live streamers would get very close to cable/sat.

    ATT was a bit unique when they brought out ATT TV, they wanted to actually make a profit right out of the gate and seemingly a bit more profit than other providers. Based on some guessing by analysts that hasn’t worked out so well for them,.
     
  16. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    From the outside, it seems like they wanted to have a cool product that appeals to cord-cutting trend-setters while also having a product that replaced Uverse TV (and potentially DirecTV). The lack of focus shows in the execution.

    FWIW: I used to pay ~$65/month for Dish's Welcome Pack with a Hopper3 and 2 Joeys, plus Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc. Now I pay $65/month for YTTV, plus what Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc cost. My overall spend has gone up as I have added Disney+, which is going to over time no matter what, but I am getting way more content, flexibility, and integration (one device for all apps*) and way fewer ads. Totally worth it.

    *once AppleTV+ comes to AndroidTV.
     
  17. lparsons21

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    One device for all apps is possible today with AppleTV, Roku and FireTV. And as usual in the streaming world, each has some feature you might like that is missing.

    Like lack of DD5.1 with Hulu on AppleTV
    Or no ‘up next’ of any real value on either FireTV or Roku.

    I’m not as hung up on cost other than wanting good value because I’ll sub to whichever service that I want somewhat regardless of that.
     
  18. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    Roku and FireTV having disputes is a big turn off, along with the ads. AppleTV would be the platform of choice in our house but for the remote (and I've tried all the remotes). Don't care about Up Next in particular.
     
  19. lparsons21

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    To be fair though it has been awhile, Apple has had those contentions too. These days it seems like Apple is the friendliest to the streaming app providers.

    And that remote is my biggest complaint with the AppleTV. I’ve been using my phone or tablet as the remote and that actually seems to work better. My Harmony Elite does a fairly good job with it too.

    I was playing with a spreadsheet yesterday to do some cost comparisons. For streaming it is putting together the live streamer with whichever VOD service is needed to fill in holes. In my preferred setups it turns out that all the configurations that I would need to do what I want to do end up costing about $100/month regardless of which live streamer is involved. That’s using YTTV, Sling or the now grandfathered ATT TV Now Max. ATT TV’s current non-contract pricing ends up costing about $20 more per month for a channel lineup most similar to YTTV.

    As I was doing this it brought to the fore that I’m paying more for a live streaming service that I don’t use nearly as much as I do the VOD services and that is driven as much by some sports as anything else. If I could make myself walk away from sports and go to just VOD services my streaming bill would drop about $30/month.
     
  20. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    I think the Appletv remote is the best streaming remote.

    The biggest downside is a lot of apps don’t use it as well as they could or should.

    but I understand the dislike. Most of it in my experience is related to the learning curve associated with the use of the touchpad and then with the size/orientation.

    But I wouldn’t use any other streaming remote over it. I also understand those who want 39 buttons. I am not one of those. I like having quick easy access to the basic functionality at my thumb tip.
     

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