Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. saeba

    saeba Active Member

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    From my experience over the past weeks....
    (1) It's not bad. I think as @trip1eX said, it's so simple that it makes it easy. You just say you want a show and with unlimited simultaneous recordings and unlimited storage, YTTV gets it.
    (2) It records all episodes. Does not seem to duplicate.
    (3) I'll post some screenshots to show the UI on the Nvidia Shield.

    Here's the main library page:
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    Here's scheduled recordings (the To Do list):
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    And here's a program folder:

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    It also does show a progress bar or completion on shows watched:
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  2. saeba

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    I'd suggest just taking a free trial. You should be able to test via either a mobile app or PC if you don't have a streaming device with YTTV. They're having a cyber week special this week with a 3-week free trial.
     
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  3. saeba

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    And here's the YTTV guide....
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  4. trip1eX

    trip1eX Well-Known Member

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    Yeah just do a free trial. It takes a minute at most to sign up and less time to cancel via app or website. You only need a gmail address, and credit card.
     
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  5. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Using my incredible powers of deduction ( :rolleyes: ) here's how the YTTV DVR works:
    They simply record and keep copies (on their servers) of every program aired on every channel they provide for the last nine months (or less depending on the terms imposed by the channel programming provider). Or for some channels maybe they let the program source's servers keep the copies (??). For each subscriber they just keep a small database of what programs you record ("add to your library") and when you started (and ended if applicable) recording them, and timeline pointers of your viewing history.

    Your access to VOD (possibly with unskippable commercials) or "recorded" (with skippable commercials) programs depends on several factors:
    1. Whether the program has aired on ANY of their provided channels during the time you were "recording" it. If so, this enables access to a "recording" as opposed to VOD.
    2. The terms of their agreement with the program provider. (Which sets time limits on availability of both VOD and "recorded" versions.)

    That's how you provide a DVR functionality with virtually unlimited capacity.
     
  6. trip1eX

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    yeah that's roughly how it works I'd guess.

    Although technically not sure Google can record stuff on their own or if they need at least 1 user to click record first. :) I'd also guess they temporarily clone recordings as needed. Only so many people can playback a recording from a harddrive at the same time. And they probably have some formula for how many separate recordings to store for a given show based on how many record it and how much those recordings are watched at a given time.

    Substituting VoD instead of a recording seems to be all about contracts with program providers. Only had it happen once in ~3 weeks. A Premiere League soccer match on NBC gave me 3 options to watch. VoD, Spanish VoD and Spanish recording. All other premiere league matches I've watched haven't had this although vast majority are on NBCSports. Not sure why this one was singled out although it was a higher profile match. I watched the Spanish recording. It wasn't all bad because the announcer was the guy famous for screaming GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL after every goal and then saying it again for about as long in a slightly different manner before finally announcing who scored it. It was interesting. :)
     
  7. samccfl99

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

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    Horrible remote control actions and it takes a lot of data, especially if running multiple tv's. Comcast usually caps at 1TB. But it seems to record many things at a time...really, I stopped at 7 when I tested it at a friend's before he cancelled. Too bad it sucked because you get 5 or 6 users as a Family Share and I would have liked to record and store more stuff as one of those users. Oh Well, NOT made for Adults! :rolleyes::D
     
  8. saeba

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    Certainly not my experience. What version were you running (Android TV, Apple TV, Roku, etc.)?
     
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  9. saeba

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    Just saw this.... When Will PBS Come to YouTube TV? You Asked, We Answer - Cord Cutters News

    Earlier this year PBS announced that they had reached a deal with YouTube TV to bring PBS and PBS Kids to the service. According to PBS, they will be streaming on YouTube TV by the end of 2019.

    Originally, PBS stations said November 4, 2019, would be the launch date, but a few days before PBS was set to go live, several PBS stations said that the launch had been delayed a few weeks. Now, when asked, PBS stations say that their contracts prevent them from commenting on any launch date other than to say they still plan to launch before the end of 2019.

    So the good news is PBS is still planning to launch on YouTube TV by the end of December 2019. According to several sources, YouTube TV has the final say on when PBS and PBS Kids will go live on the service.
     
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  10. mschnebly

    mschnebly Well-Known Member

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    Same here. Works great for me using an ATV4k
     
  11. samccfl99

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

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    ROKU...Just can't compare at all to what comcast gives you as a provider. This was about 6 months ago.
     
  12. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Looks like you just don't understand how the YTTV DVR works. See posts 125 and 126. Recordings don't use your internet capacity because they don't store on your device. Only the streaming when you watch a recording (or live or VOD) uses your capacity. Internet usage is no different than Netflix or any other streaming service.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    I think that YTTV has completely ended their practice of substituting VOD in place of cloud DVR recordings. They were doing it on CBS-owned channels (CBS, Pop, and Smithsonian Channel) but that just ended:

    YouTube TV Removes All DVR Limitations on CBS Owned Channels - Cord Cutters News

    As far as your specific example with regard to the soccer match, my hunch is that was some sort of glitch. Why would they offer the recording in Spanish if YTTV only had the rights to offer the VOD version? Can't imagine that NBC or the Premiere League contractually specified that only the Spanish, but not the English, version be made available for cloud DVR.

    Anyhow, with this new development on CBS channels, it looks like YTTV at $50 is the best value right now in terms of streaming cable TV services as long as you don't need Viacom channels, A+E channels (A&E, History, Lifetime), or Hallmark channels, all of which YTTV lacks. But who knows how long that might be the case. It looks like YTTV is considering other options, including a $60 service.

    YouTube TV is Surveying Subscribers About a New $59.99 Package - Cord Cutters News
     
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  14. Matty-Matt

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    I tired a trial of YTTV to watch the world series games, because I no longer subscribe to cable/satellite. YTTV seemed to work reasonably well with my Roku Smart TV, as most streaming apps do. The only drawbacks are that it's time-shift control lacks the precision, there is no commercial auto-skip, and it consumes internet bandwidth causing the performance of other devices to suffer. Also, there's the matter of cost ($49.99/month). I think the most cost effective approach is subscribing to a few basic streaming services (Hulu, Netflix) and use OTA for prime-time and local programming. Of course, this all depends on your personal viewing habits and whether you have good OTA reception. Nowadays there are plenty of choices, and I don't mind giving up basic cable programing, most of which I never watched in the first place. I'm currently paying $29.99/month combined for Tivo/Hulu/Netflix, and I'm fully contented. Here is a good article from Grounded Reason YouTube TV Channel List, Cost and Review | Grounded Reason
     
  15. trip1eX

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    I didn't notice any lack of precision compared to Tivo. The only thing I can think of that isn't as precise as Tivo is you can't slowly ff/rw through something whether it's slow mo or the 1x ff/rw capability of Tivo. For me, that just isn't something I did with Tivo very much. Otherwise it skips forward/backward 15 seconds. And you can use voice to skip to any pt in time in the recording or go forward/backward any amount of time which is pretty precise. And you can also very rapidly, faster than Tivo, scrub your way to any 15 second pt in time in the recording. The effect of which is you can to whatever pt in time you want quicker which is really what precision is ultimately all about (at least to me.)

    I haven't noticed any effect on internet performance in my house. Granted it runs over a cat6 (wired) network in my home so it (at least) isn't sucking up wireless bandwidth in a part of the house where it could be pretty low to begin with which could affect connections to the internet. Otherwise I only have 100mbps and currently 3 people in the household. 4th is in college.

    The cost is cheap compared to what it replaces - the cost of cable plus dvr system.

    IF you don't need or watch cable programming then yes there isn't a reason to get it. Really without sports I wouldn't need it and could do without it.

    btw, link to article is just a copy and paste of what you find on the YTTV webpage. :)
     
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  16. moyekj

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    My latest Cox billing just the TV portion (I get TV, phone, internet) was $115, and that's a pretty basic lineup with no premiums at all. I called and argued that I can get YTTV for $50 and has everything I need. Retention claimed that if I used Cox Contour (which requires using their hardware instead of TiVos) I could get the TV price easily down to $79 including HBO thrown in for free. But from my point of view if I could no longer use TiVos with Cox TV then I would certainly want to get rid of Cox TV completely. I eventually got my current "Advanced TV" package required to use with cablecards down to $90 ($25 less than I had been paying), but to keep that I have to keep calling them once a year to preserve the discount. Better than nothing but still way over-priced. One issue I just found with YTTV is Spectrum Sports Net is not part of YTTV channels which means that most Lakers games would not be available to me anymore which is kind of a deal breaker. In any case I'm glad services such as YTTV are providing competition and I'm sure one day I'll probably switch over to such a service, but for now I'll stick with what I have until TiVo forces me to look for an alternative.
     
  17. trip1eX

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    Yeah I read that. And yes as far as my example goes, maybe the Premiere League game was being simultaneously aired on Telemundo and YTTV recorded that version and not the NBC version. Also I can't even say for sure if the game even aired on NBC here. I didn't check the guide or anything.

    And when you do a season pass you just click add to library. I think it showed sports to record and I just clicked on each league or series or whatever and clicked add and that was it. There is no setting number of episodes, HD or no HD, repeats or new, channels to record, start and stop times, and all that stuff. LIke I said in an earlier post between this and unlimited storage and unlimited tuners, you feel like something is missing. lol. And yet so far everything seems the same as Tivo as far there are my shows. I can watch them.


    Note: soccer doesn't have commercials so VoD would have been fine, but the VoD quality of this specific match was terrible. It was like 1/2 the frame rate.

    And I think YTTV was already the best choice even before the CBS no-forced VoD annoucement. But I don't really watch any CBS channels.

    Yeah I saw something about a survey and $60 price point and more features like offline recordings and more simultaneous streams and presumably more channels ...

    YTTV is missing a few big cable channels. A&E, History, LIfetime and other channels owned by A&E networks. The Viacom channels also aren't present.....Nik, MTV, comedy channel, ... Hallmark isn't there either. Neither is NFL Network. So there are holes in the channel lineup. That could bug some people. For me, ...basically I'm there for sports. I could do without cable otherwise.
     
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  18. saeba

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    Yes, I think @NashGuy covered this quite well earlier in this thread when he posted the following guidance:

    1. Does it have all the channels I really want?
    2. Because I won't be getting a bundle discount for TV + broadband from the same company, will I end up paying as much or more in total?
    3. Will I end up exceeding my broadband data cap since I'll be streaming everything I watch?
    4. Can I get used to watching all my TV through an app on a streaming device as opposed to a regular cable box (or TiVo) with its full-featured remote?
    5. Will the cloud DVR experience on the OTT service (amount of storage, length of storage, ability to FF through ads, trick play performance) be as good as on my cable DVR (or TiVo), or at least be "good enough"?

    Hopefully, there's sufficient info in this thread about YTTV that people can make their own determination and do a fair evaluation of options.

    I was quite fortunate that my building has 100/100mbps Internet Service with no data cap for ~$6/month as part of our HOA fees. That set off a cascade of decisions for me - to drop Comcast Internet Service and then to drop Comcast TV. YTTV did have the majority of the channels I wanted and certainly all of my must haves.The YTTV interface, while very different from TiVo, still met my requirements.

    But all of this will vary depending on individual situations.
     
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  19. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I think YTTV has done a good job of assembling their channel package by focusing on locals, sports and news channels. For folks who have broadband and are comfortable streaming, those three categories of linear channels are the main reasons to even bother with cable TV.
     
  20. hefe

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    It works for me because it carries all the channels I want. In fact, I preferred when it was a little cheaper before they added the last few channels. All I need is AMC, BBC America, ESPN, CNN, FS1, NBCSN, MLB Network. I hardly watch any other cable channels.

    Additional benefits that put it over the top...I signed up from my previous home, so I get my old (Chicago) locals on my set top box. I like that I can watch the network content 1 hour earlier in my time zone by watching the Chicago channels. :)

    I have YTTV and TiVo Roamio OTA. I find that I leave my TV input on the box with YTTV most of the time, and often watch things on it that are also recorded on the TiVo.
     

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