Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Don’t know about Cox but my local Spectrum would not get serious about negotiating until I actually requested to cut the cord, i.e., just discussing it or threatening it got me nowhere. (In my case it was too late when they finally got reasonable — I had already removed my CableCARD and TA and converted my base Roamio to OTA. I’m so down on Cable TV pricing games that I will NEVER go back to it, even though YTTV’s price increase to $65 is causing me to quit that too.)
     
  2. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Absolutely ridiculous — I’m gone from YTTV. I’ll never go back to cable TV but there are other streaming options and my lifetime Roamio basic covers my local OTA stations fine. Also I’m curious to see what the new TV service Amazon has announced will be.
     
  3. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Well it was one of the options when my Xfinity contract expires next year but now I don't think its competitive. If I try to piece together my triple play as separate services there is no way I can get all that stuff. Now if the simple and easy pricing kicks in here I will have to do the math again.

    People cut the cord because they wanted a cheaper price first and not have to pay for channels they don't watch second and this is a move back to the old ways.
     
  4. samsauce29

    samsauce29 Active Member TCF Club

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    Agreed. A $15 increase for ZERO new channels I care about. Still doesn't have the Pittsburgh RSN.

    For reasons of family harmony, I need to retain either YTTV or cable. Currently running the math to see which wins. (Good thing I never sold my lifetime TiVo!)
     
  5. NashGuy

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    Dream on. Disney will, sooner or later, offer all of the live sports content from the various ESPN channels/outlets in one big standalone streaming option via the ESPN app and I would think the price for that alone will be in the $15-20 range. Never mind the sports from NBC, Turner/Warner, Sinclair (RSNs), etc.
     
  6. Bigg

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    $65 a month for YTTV. Holy ****. That's a LOT of money for news and sports!
     
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  7. moyekj

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    Which streaming service are you looking to switch to next? Also what was your resulting Spectrum Internet speed and price per month if you care to share?
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Just for kicks, I headed over to the Xfinity website and plugged in a friend's local address as if signing up as a new customer. If you're willing to bundle their Extra (125+ channel) TV package in with broadband, and you rent one X1 box ($5) and get the expanded cloud DVR ($10), AND you take a 2-yr contract on the whole bundle, then it looks like you end up paying about $68 more per month than you would if you just got standalone 100 Mbps broadband. And yes, I included the pesky broadcast TV and RSN fees. (Although if you just took broadband, you only have a 1-yr contract, not 2-yr.)

    That Extra channel package includes a fair number of channels that YouTube TV doesn't have, even after adding Viacom today. Although YTTV has much better HD PQ and unlimited 9-month cloud DVR storage. Xfinity's expanded cloud DVR now offers 150 hours with 12-month retention. And, of course, YTTV is contract-free, so you can subscribe and drop it at will.

    So, even at $65, YTTV is a very competitive option for what it offers. But not the bargain it used to be at $50.

    [EDIT: This is in Nashville, which is a region that has converted over to Comcast's "Simple & Easy" pricing/packaging structure.]
     
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  9. MustHaveTivo

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    :eek: Was kind of expecting $10. Well, still up $51/month over our Charter bill. They should hand back Fox Sports West though. Cost wasn't our primary decision point, but it was certainly in the mix.
     
  10. samsauce29

    samsauce29 Active Member TCF Club

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    Agreed. I've just been running similar numbers for Spectrum. It's really within a few dollars per month at this point. Still super annoyed though!
     
  11. windracer

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    Even after the increase YTTV is still $23/mo cheaper than my old Spectrum TV package, so I'll hold fast for now. It's only been 4 months I can't go crawling back to Spectrum so soon! :)
     
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  12. Bigg

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    It might be "competitive" if you just compare it to other MVPDs and vMVPDs, but not against cutting the cord. Different people's pain points are different, but moves like this in aggregate will just further accelerate cord cutting as more people reach that pain point, and people look to get their finances in order during and after COVID. Pay TV is an easy place to cut month after month.
     
  13. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Yea we have talked about this before right now my bill total is $165 (2 year contract - 1 to go) thanks to my Roamio and Minis for
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    HBO
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    Landline

    Internet by itself is $100
    HBO @ $15
    Showtime @ $11 or thereabouts
    Landline varies a lot depending how you do it
    YTTV $65 / Hulu Live $55(???)

    If we gave up our landline and only subscribed to premiums as we watched stuff we could probably make it work.
    Once my contract ends things future options with Comcast, Tivos future, as well as the competition might force change.
    No matter what we dont watch broadcast so that is not an option.
     
  14. NashGuy

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    Yes. Also, the cost of eating at fine dining restaurants isn't "competitive" with the cost of buying generic brand groceries and doing your own cooking. When I referred to YTTV as competitively priced, I was obviously comparing it against like products, i.e. other full-scale live cable TV services with DVR.

    That said, sure, as these vMVPDs all increase their prices, it will only accelerate the cord-cutting trend as folks move to a combination of a few SVODs, plus free AVODs, and for some, free OTA TV.
     
  15. Bigg

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    But you have to look at whether the whole market makes sense to begin with. And it doesn't. Cord cutting is going to continue to spiral faster and faster.

    Exactly. The whole pay TV ecosystem is swirling the toilet. It's going to be swirling for another decade or more, but it's swirling for sure.
     
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  16. NashGuy

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    Yeah. I mean, you did pay for lifetime TiVo service plus the cost of the TiVo hardware. But still, to have a total Comcast bill for what you get of $165 is pretty good (relatively speaking). And, of course, when your 2-yr contract is up, they'll offer another deal to keep you (although probably with another contract).

    Obviously, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to trade your bigger Comcast channel package plus HBO Max plus Showtime plus home phone service in exchange for YTTV, which would result in the same $165 monthly cost.
     
  17. CommunityMember

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    It was always sort of expected that there would be an increase at some point. Those with some visibility into the numbers have consistently stated that YTTV was losing money on every subscriber in order to achieve market share (something that is a very common approach in the tech world). The reality is that while the largest of the cable/OTT companies do get some discount, the cost of content is not dramatically different across the market.

    I would like to see YTTV consider breaking up the bundle into smaller pieces, but that is probably a complexity they do not wish to go down (and the Disney consortium requirements limit some of the options some would like to see (i.e. a no sports bundle)).
     
  18. mrizzo80

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    Price increase sucks. I watch a couple cable news channels and some sports channels. That’s it. No entertainment channels. No locals.

    I like the YTTV interface (came from PS Vue) a lot and the responsiveness of the trick play controls is impressive, but my usage is so little that I’m not sure I can justify it.

    There’s no package for me at any provider. There’s nothing even close to my knowledge.
     
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  19. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    With the coming increase, I am revisiting the OTA+Sling Orange option. That gets me all the channels I care about. The hard part is the OTA reception. I have 7 weeks or so to figure it out. That was my original plan, but the repack made my existing setup worthless for CBS and ABC. If I am going to be saving $30-35 per month vs. YTTV, investing in a better OTA solution, professionally installed makes a lot more sense. My wife is also more willing to have an outdoor antenna with the 30% price increase being the alternative. We actually prefer the Sling interface, so there is a win there too. At least, that is what I am thinking right now. I am going to do some more research and give it a lot of thought first.
     
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  20. NashGuy

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    The only cheaper option I know of that *might* work for you is Sling. Their Blue package costs $30/mo and includes CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, HLN, Bloomberg and Cheddar for news and FS1, NBCSN, TBS and TNT for sports. For another $15 ($45 total), you can add the Orange package and get ESPN/2/3. For another $10 ($55 total), you can add the Sports Extra pack and get NBA TV, SEC Network, SEC Network+, Pac-12, ESPNU, ESPNEWS, NHL Network, beIN SPORTS, ESPN Goal Line, ESPN Bases Loaded, Stadium, Outside Television, and Motorsport TV.
     
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