Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Why?
     
  2. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

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    Not in the normal use case, where the account holder is watching at their own home.

    In that instance for any recorded program in progress you're given the option to join it live or watch from the beginning.
     
  3. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes as mentioned, this is only issue if recording YTTV out of your home market. It's not an issue for normal/home YTTV recordings.
     
  4. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    I just discovered a feature I didn't know existed. I was watching a news type program, (on the Android TV app) and when skipping about I noticed the "Jump to" selection near the other options. Selecting that on a recording allowed me to jump directly to a topic in the show, like you would with chapters on a movie. Pretty neat.
     
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  5. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    Apparently it's a new thing that isn't widely used yet.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/youtubes-...ts-you-jump-to-a-specific-section-of-a-video/
     
  6. ncted

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    There are shows that have many, many episodes -- news shows like 48 Hours and Dateline NBC re-run often. The way YTTV organizes these is by original air date by week or similar time period. So, if it records a rerun from 2017, you have to scroll though dozens of weeks to find the most recently recorded episode. These aren't serialized, so it is likely that someone hasn't seen every episode in order it was broadcast, especially given how long they have been on. The easiest thing to do is just watch ones that rerun as they re-air, but YTTV handles this in a way that it is difficult to find the newest reruns.
     
  7. JolDC

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    For those deciding on YTTV, the price just went up to $65 with today’s addition of some Viacom channels

    http://goo.gle/3g9d3KT
     
  8. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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  9. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Wowza. $65. That's a big increase. Not sure I'll be resubscribing anytime soon.

    I don't watch much cable to begin with. IT's really mainly for sports for me as I otherwise watch Netflix and Showtime and HBO etc these days.

    And I was already thinking of just getting some streaming season passes for a few sports and seeing how I like that. PLus supplementing with some OTA. NFL is mostly OTA. I would miss some things but I also have the parent's cable login if I really want to watch something which makes it easy for me to "experiment."
     
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  10. NashGuy

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    Seemed pretty likely that YouTube TV would once again add channels and hike their price in 2020. I was wrong on the details -- I predicted a spring price increase (as they did in '18 and '19) and figured the new channels would be the A+E and Hallmark channel groups (which offer more top-rated channels than Viacom), with the price going up to $60.

    Perhaps their original contract with CBS was coming to an end soon and in order to renew it they had to take on the Viacom channels, now that they've merged with CBS to form ViacomCBS. My guess is that relatively few YTTV viewers will think those Viacom channels are worth an additional $15/mo. Although my guess is that YTTV still wasn't profitable at $50/mo with the channel line-up at that price. Maybe they will be at $65/mo with the addition of the Viacom channels?

    I'm a little surprised that YTTV didn't opt to do what Hulu Live has done, which is to carve off some less-popular channels into an add-on pack for another $7-10.
     
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    GULP! That's a 30% increase in price! Makes YTTV a much less attractive alternative to cable TV subscribers. We knew a price increase was bound to come, but I thought it would be $60/month not $65.
     
  12. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    I hear ya, but Dateline NBC reruns are mostly very recent airings like almost all of them are of the past year/season. The odds you haven't seen one of them if the follow the show are very low. And you'll already have the first airings recorded going back 9 months.

    Also ...the workaround or the new habit to develop is just check it less frequently for reruns. Let them pile up for three months and then check. It will be the same difference.
     
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  13. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    Well, I am not sure it matters a whole lot now. I'll be looking for less expensive options going forward.
     
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  14. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    I need the Philo of sports.

    ESPN 1&2, NBC Sports, TNT, and then my regional sports channel. That would cover the vast majority of the reason why I get cable these days. And ...TNT I only need for NBA and NCAA tourney maybe. You can take out all the sitcom reruns and original shows. Just need the pre-game/post-game show at most.

    PUt that in package for $20/mo.
     
  15. moyekj

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    Just had a long chat with Cox about cancelling TV and phone portion of my TV/cablecards/phone/internet (150Mbps) services and true to form they remain as sleazy as ever. My bill is currently $210/month for all 3, with just the TV portion at $126/month which is ridiculous and $75/month for 150 Mbps internet (which I consider high). So I tell them give me pricing with phone and TV dropped but keeping internet the same, and they come back with... wait for it... $190/month just for 150Mbps internet!! They say because the bundling of 3 services is really dropping the prices compared to what they are standalone (which doesn't match anything I saw in their web pages). Talk about sleazy! Has anyone heard of paying close to $200/month for << 1 Gbps internet, and with a data cap of 1TB/month? Of course they have a monopoly, with next best option here for Internet being AT&T DSL which is really crappy by many accounts. So after a lot of arguing they dropped the bill down to $180/month for TV/cablecards/phone/internet which is less than the $190/month they wanted for just internet alone. But no doubt I have to keep calling them every few months to retain my "discounts".

    So looks like to really ditch Cox I'm going to have to first find a viable ISP replacement, which in this area I don't think there are any... Very frustrating.
     
  16. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    Well crap. Now I'm rethinking things.
     
  17. osu1991

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    Possibly that included the $50 fee for unlimited data. Cox has been including that in their all in price around here. Without the extra data fee, 150/10 internet is $79 in Tulsa with Cox and I think it’s $89 for us in Las Vegas with Cox.

    I have no choice either as 4Mbps windstream DSL is my other option here and the same from Centurylink in Vegas. My dad on the other hand just moved and is now in a new fiber neighborhood across the street from me and could get 1000/1000 from windstream for $75, but goes with 200/200 for $45 a month.

    The Cox advanced tv/internet bundle with cable card was $180 a month back in January when I dropped it. I figured it would have gone up with their annual price increases that happen in March.
     
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    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think on the phone they called it "streaming package" or something like that, but I think you're right. I could probably get internet service without that, but still would be something like $140/month with 1TB data cap which is absurd. Going by their web pages, no way it's that much, so no doubt it was retention services lying/exaggerating to make it seem a lot worse than reality had I dropped TV and phone.
     
  19. NashGuy

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    YouTube TV and Fubo TV (which will soon get the Disney-owned nets, including ABC and ESPN) are now essentially full-scale cable TV services. We know YTTV is now $65. I wonder what Fubo's base package (which only has a 30-hr cloud DVR) will jump to? It's now $55. Hard to see how it doesn't hit $70 with those Disney nets added. Maybe they soften the blow by expanding the DVR.

    For those who want to spend less for a streaming cable TV package, there aren't a lot of great choices.

    Hulu with Live TV costs $55 in its most basic iteration (ads included in core Hulu library, basic 50-hr cloud DVR that forces ads). Upgrade the cloud DVR so you get 200 hrs and the ability to FF through ads and the cost goes up to $65, same as YTTV (which offers more channels and has an unlimited cloud DVR, although does not have the core Hulu on-demand library). So unless you value the core Hulu service and would have it anyway, Hulu with Live TV probably isn't a good option for folks leaving YTTV due to cost.

    If you're willing to forego channels from Discovery, AMC, and A+E Networks, plus don't need RSNs or other upper-tier sports nets, then the $55 Plus package on AT&T TV Now would work. Comes with major locals (but no PBS and probably no CW), 500 hours of cloud DVR and the ability to FF through ads on all channels. But is it worth giving up that much versus YTTV to only save $10/mo?

    So then there's Sling TV. If you're really willing to cut corners to save money, it could work. Their two core packages (Orange and Blue) cost $30 each, or you can combine them for $45. But you probably won't get any locals (although you might get your local ABC and/or Fox if you live in a top-10 market). And lots of other channels are missing too. Some are available via add-on "Extra Packs," although not any RSNs. The core packages only offer 10 hours of cloud DVR. Expanding that to 50 hours costs an extra $5. Not even sure if you can FF past ads in recordings from all channels, though.

    If you have rather niche tastes in cable channels and don't need any sports or locals, Philo ($20) or Frndly TV ($6+) might work.

    Only other option I know of is Vidgo, the newest entrant into this space. (I don't look for them to survive very long, but we'll see.) Their English-language Core package of channels regularly costs $40, while the Plus package costs $50. Pretty decent selection of channels, including sports, but no CBS, no Warner, and no RSNs. But popular nets from the Disney, NBCU, Fox, Discovery, Viacom, A+E, and Hallmark groups, plus various upper-tier sports nets like NFL Network. They say they offer locals "in select markets" -- not many, I'm guessing. But here's the big drawback: Vidgo currently doesn't offer ANY cloud DVR. Although they've recently stated that they intend to soon add that feature, along with 72-hr playback and VOD.
     
  20. mdavej

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    Man, I hate to leave Youtube. I was ok with a $5-$10 bump for the additional channels. But $15 puts it back up there in cable TV territory. I've got one more month at $50, then I guess I'll have to switch to Sling. At least Sling is integrated into my Recast guide.
     
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