Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. Nov 14, 2019 #81 of 318
    trip1eX

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    good questions.

    I'll find out about the first this weekend. The latter can take awhile to experience. Otherwise Google. :)
     
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    chiguy50

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    QM is now user variable from 1.1X to 1.9X via SPS code.

    Adjusting QuickMode speed via SPS codes
     
  3. Nov 15, 2019 #83 of 318
    trip1eX

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    YTTV didn't record the beginning of the 2nd NBA game on TNT last night when it was temporarily moved from TNT to the NBA channel because the 1st game ran long. It did record the entire 1st NBA game though even though it ran long.
     
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  4. Nov 15, 2019 #84 of 318
    mattyro7878

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    How did it handle the very long NFL game with the riot/assault at the end of the game? This was Thursday night football at it's best!!
     
  5. Nov 15, 2019 #85 of 318
    saeba

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    Thanks! Good to know. I suspect covering the case of a temporary channel shift is beyond any current capability. Extending the recording for the entire game automatically is beyond what TiVo can do though one can add time to any TiVo recordings to cover such a possibility. I'd say that's a "Pro" that YouTube TV can auto-extend. I'll add that to my post.

    Another note - If the forced commercials on CBS ondemand recordings is an issue, one can purchase CBS All Access with no commercials for $9.99/mo or $99.99/year. This includes their original content such as Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard, The Good Fight, etc. CBS All Access streaming apps are available for most devices (Apple TV, Fire TV, Android TV, Roku, PS4, Xbox, Apple and Android phones).
     
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  6. Nov 15, 2019 #86 of 318
    trip1eX

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    lol. I turned off the game with ~4 minutes to go so I didn't see it last night but the recording got it all plus ~45minutes.
     
  7. Nov 15, 2019 #87 of 318
    trip1eX

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    No slow mo replay on YTTV.
     
  8. Nov 15, 2019 #88 of 318
    saeba

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    You're right! I had missed that one. I'll add.
     
  9. Nov 15, 2019 #89 of 318
    mattyro7878

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    I think we can all agree that we are not going to find anything equal to Tivo in regards to play, trick play, freeze frame and all that. All internet or streaming based video is inferior to Tivo; so much so that I am disappointed when streaming and I want to replay or frame by frame something.
     
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  10. Nov 15, 2019 #90 of 318
    saeba

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    I think it's up to the individual to decide the value of the pros and cons, I frankly don't think at this point in our evaluation that the TiVo pros are sufficient to pay the additional cost of the TiVo/Comcast solution. But my household doesn't use the frame by frame or slow-mo often at all and we can generally freeze frame on something we want to discuss when streaming. YMMV. That's why I was compiling a list of differences so that people can utilize it in their own evaluations. These are just items to consider.

    And FYI - I've owned and used TiVo's for the last 16 years. So it's not an easy decision to move to a different solution.
     
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  11. Nov 16, 2019 #91 of 318
    saeba

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    FYI - You can control the playback speed in Windows via the settings menu option on the YouTube TV playback bar. Options include: 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, Normal, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 and 2.
     
  12. Nov 17, 2019 #92 of 318
    CelieMom

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    I'm posting here because I am a new member, have a related question, and can't figure out how to start a new post! I have a several years old TIVO Premiere. I tried YTTV, as I was hoping to cut the cable entirely. But I'm a tennis fan, and I recorded on YTTV the men's semi-finals of Wimbledon back in June and the women's finals. When I tried to watch (and I selected "play from beginning" NOT "play from live"), I found that YTTV had not started recording the men's match (Federer/Nadal!) until somewhere in the second set, and worse, it recorded the women's match from the beginning of the trophy ceremony -completely ruining it for me. That was it.

    But now my question is, if you have YTTV, can you connect your TV to Tivo and record streaming shows??? If so, I would think that you could cut the cable and, in the case of live sports events that are carried on your YTTV package - or any other show - record the streaming show and, if it's a live event, add a few hours to make sure you've recorded long enough. Thoughts?

    And thanks!
     
  13. Nov 17, 2019 #93 of 318
    trip1eX

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    Oh does that then translate to the app on AppleTV? Even if it did, it sounds like too much of a hassle. I mostly only use slo mo to watch some sports play over again to see if he was out of bounds or not or whatever. And for me it's hardly much of a loss to not have it as it is. I rarely used it. Also the video quality of slo mo on my Roamio Plus is not good. Very blurry. So that limited its appeal quite a bit.

    It's nice to know I guess.
     
  14. Nov 17, 2019 #94 of 318
    trip1eX

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    No. Tivo is just for cable or OTA. It doesn't record streams.

    Also I've had Tivo mess up tennis and various sports recordings many times. Tivo is dependent on guide data. If it isn't accurate then you're out of luck. YTTV is probably dependent on guide data like Tivo. I do have a feeling that there is more computing intelligence with YTTV where it is smart enough to record sports events that run long or record a show that suddenly starts later. But I will have to use it for months at least to see how good it is at recording events that run long. I used Tivo for ~15 years so I really know what to expect - good and bad.

    A couple weekends ago Tivo didn't record the 3pm NFL game on Sunday. The guide data for that particular game I guess was slightly changed and said something like teams TBD or something.

    So Tivo isn't going to be a fail-safe solution either. But Tivo does have manual recordings so if you absolutely had to guarantee you had a recording of an event you could go record 24 hrs of channel XYZ.


    PS: I noticed a few times already with YTTV that when I went into a recording it appeared to not get the whole event or be some other content. But when I backed out and ..checked a few things (not sure what I did :) ) and went back to the Library and back to the recording and played it back from the beginning or from where I left off, all was normal and good. I've ran into a few minor hiccups or glitches like that so far in ~5 days.
     
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  15. Nov 17, 2019 #95 of 318
    wmcbrine

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    No, the TiVo doesn't record streams. BUT, you could try Channels DVR. It doesn't directly record from a service like YTTV, either, but it uses it to authorize TV Everywhere sites for each channel (note, not all channels will work), and it does record those streams.
     
  16. Nov 17, 2019 #96 of 318
    CelieMom

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    Thanks, everyone! I've rarely had problems with recording sports on Tivo, although I had a glitch yesterday. Things usually start mostly on time, but yesterday I must have neglected to add hours to a recording, and didn't realize there was a doubles match on before the singles, so I missed most of the latter. As a regular follower of 60 Minutes, I learned early on that afternoon football games this time of year delay the start, and Tivo won't pick that up, but I solved that by just adding an hour (2 total) to the season pass, and everything's been fine.

    I guess the answer is that, if you really want to be as sure as possible with these, weighing the likelihood of glitches, it's better to keep the cable and the Tivo. At least I cut the cable - and the expensive box - with two other TVs I don't watch as often, and learned after years that with the cable card in the Tivo, I didn't need that box I was paying for all those years on my one cabled TV!
     
  17. Nov 17, 2019 #97 of 318
    tenthplanet

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    As I learned one year when the NHL Winter Classic was rain delayed, and I missed the game because the Tivo can't get real time updates if a program is moved, data can only do so much. Even with cloud dvr's, they don't get real time updates yet. I now have a new weapon, the Tivo phone app. If a one time event isn't running as scheduled, I can intervene to start and move recordings in real-time if need be. :)
     
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  18. Nov 18, 2019 #98 of 318
    trip1eX

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    Yep there is a YTTV app too. There is essentially little to no change switching between YTTV at home and YTTV on your phone. UI is pretty much the same.

    The beauty of YTTV on a phone is you can just select a recording and it plays just like at home.

    Also it plays the live feed of each channel at the top ~1/4 of the phone as you scroll through the guide.

    And of course you can record stuff from the phone or view scheduled recordings.

    I imagine some people use the phone as the remote/UI with a Chromecast plugged into a tv.

    If I said it runs circles around Tivo's app, it would probably be pretty accurate.

    No offline recordings though. And you can't look at 2 weeks of the guide data. YOu can search for upcoming programming. Google likes its search bar.
     
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  19. Nov 19, 2019 #99 of 318
    saeba

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    On the TiVo side, I agree with this reviewer:

    TiVo Edge review: A once-great DVR in decline

    "So it was a bit surprising when, a couple of months ago, TiVo started stuffing preroll ads into users’ DVR recordings. These ads have not turned up on my review unit, and unofficially, you may be able to disable them with a call to customer service. Still, stomping on a sacrosanct element of the DVR experience is either a tone-deaf decision or a sign that current customers don’t matter in the grand scheme of TiVo’s business."

    and:

    "Ultimately, TiVo+ feels more like a halfhearted attempt to get more ads in front of users than a service that fills an actual need."
     
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    Tone-deaf ? It's a DVR nothing to see here move on. :confused:
     
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