Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. Jan 25, 2020 #341 of 1763
    pdhenry

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    One thing I wish they'd improve (or someone could give me a pointer for):

    I like that I can browse the live listings while a live broadcast or a recording plays in the background. I see that I can cursor to a future show in the listings and select "more info" to view the program's description or add it to the library so it records. But there doesn't seem to be a way to view the description for a show that's currently airing without switching to that show's stream.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    I am impressed. May I inquire what audio is used? (DD, PCM, 2.0, 5.1, etc.)
     
  3. Jan 25, 2020 #343 of 1763
    saeba

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    Yes, this question came up earlier in this thread. YTTV currently is 2.0 stereo. As I posted then:

    I'm curious... how much difference does 5.1 audio really make for you? I ask because I previously had a home theater setup with TiVo 5.1 audio out, an AVR and mid-level 5.1 speakers. I now use YTTV and a mid-level soundbar w/sub. I haven't really noticed a significant difference - but then I've never really had a "hifi audio" ear.

    And I do understand that this could be a showstopper for folks.
     
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    trip1eX

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    You can't. Guide isn't the best. Probably the weakest point. It should have 1 touch record in the guide too.

    But you can whip out your phone or tablet and use the guide in the app while watching on your tv. That way it will only switch switch streams on your phone or tablet. ;)

    Scrolling through channels in the guide is way faster/slicker on the tablet/phone for me at least. IT's not too quick on the AppleTV.

    But the show info is in a pretty tiny font and a bit clumsy to find at least at first. (on an iphone 7.)

    If it's a movie, you can say "Hey Siri what is the Safe House movie about" right into the remote for Apple TV, for example. Siri will bring up some movie thumbnails and then you select the movie and it will display a description. This isn't part of YTTV. But it seems to work ok. And when you back out of it, you go right back into YTTV like you never left. So it's kind of overlaid on top of it.

    I just did it now a few times for the fun of it to see if it was possible and how it worked.

    I guess it's pretty dumb though lol. Probably not worth it.
     
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  5. Jan 25, 2020 #345 of 1763
    pdhenry

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    I recorded a movie on IFC today but all it's offering to play is a VOD version. On other channels (including TCM and NBC) it lets me choose to watch either the VOD version or the recorded version.

    In the Android app it appears that it shows me what's on any particular channel, and with some fidgeting it will tell me what's up next on that channel but I can't see a programming grid for the evening for all channels.
     
  6. Jan 25, 2020 #346 of 1763
    mdavej

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    Either it didn't air today or you attempted to record after it aired.
    "Live" is the grid. The mobile apps only show what's currently on. Use the website or a streaming device for a full grid.
     
  7. Jan 25, 2020 #347 of 1763
    pdhenry

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    It might have been just as it was starting - or a minute or two before.
    Is there a way to schedule a future recording from the mobile app? Only via Search, I guess. I'd rather browse the evening and select what to record - which I can do on the TV...
     
  8. Jan 25, 2020 #348 of 1763
    mdavej

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    I'll leave that to others. I only use the mobile app to manage my location and custom lists, so I really have no idea what else it can or can't do. I tapped the Live button for the first time just to answer your question.
     
  9. Jan 26, 2020 #349 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    Nope. Guide on mobile is only what's playing. Try pc for their expanded guide that they are testing. Last I checked it was slow though.

    I guess if want a good guide you have to get a TV Guide or something. :) And then if you see a show type it in or tell a voice assistant.

    Actually it would be a good idea for an app. A zippy tv guide app with 1 touch recording that talked to YTTV (and even other services including tivo.)
     
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  10. Jan 26, 2020 #350 of 1763
    saeba

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    Just looking at the PC multi-day guide, scrolling up/down through the channel list is instantaneous. Clicking to move forward through time refreshes the screen with the new timeframe with a second delay for the refresh. I suspect that time is dependent on network speed and PC capability (speed, graphics speed, etc.).
     
  11. Jan 26, 2020 #351 of 1763
    NashGuy

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    I keep looking for AT&T to shut down their little unadvertised Watch Now service before long. Seems like its main reason to exist was to serve as a freebie to give away with their unlimited AT&T Wireless plans. But they're not doing that any more for new customers. The way they're currently structuring those plans is Unlimited Starter, Unlimited Extra, and Unlimited Elite. Key differentiators between the Extra plan and the most expensive Elite plan are that the latter streams video in HD rather than SD and also comes with HBO (soon to be HBO Max) bundled in. Elite always costs $10 more per line than Extra, regardless of the number of lines you get.

    My expectation for current Wireless subs that get free Watch TV with their grandfathered unlimited plan is that they'll swap it out for HBO Max once that launches in May, and then kill Watch TV. But I also think that the Watch TV package of channels might become a new Starter tier inside of AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now. Like their Plus and Max packages, it would include HBO Max, 500 hours of cloud DVR storage, and 3 simultaneous streams. Maybe price it at $35/mo. If AT&T did that and also began selling their own OTA network tuner/DVR device, similar to Sling's AirTV 2 box, that could be a nice little bundle for value-focused consumers who want pay TV but don't care much about sports.
     
  12. Jan 26, 2020 #352 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    Yeah I have no interest in Watchtv. :) I just found it interesting that for $15/mo you could get the channels YTTV is missing and that the price was only $5/mo more than the extra cost the YTTV survey attached to including those channels within YTTV itself.

    I wouldn't see much point in a WatchTV service that includes HBO Max at $35/mo. I don't see any discount there.

    I still think these OTT cable servcies are layovers on the way to your direct to consumer streaming services like the upcoming HBO Max.
     
  13. Jan 26, 2020 #353 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    Yeah SCrolling down the channel list is fast on pc with the mouse wheel. Instant. Basically same as scrolling through pages of a Word document.

    Moving forward through time sucks tho. Yes it takes only 1 second to refresh but you're only refreshing a few hours at a time and you can't immediately hit the refresh button again. YOu have to wait that second or two to hit it again. And every time it refreshes the new data scrolls into place horizontally, and that only adds another second to how long it takes to process the data. It's a pain.

    I guess maybe on tivo it was only a few hours of data at a time too (it could have been closer to 4 hrs I forget) but it was just much zippier because there was no delay and you could instantly skip 24 hours or 12 hours with the shortcut buttons. And data was popping into place instantly - no animation. So you could quickly navigate the entire guide.

    Right now the YTTV guide on pc has no grid lines. I mean it's a pure white page with black lettering and no vertical or horizontal lines to separate channels and shows from each other.


    btw, I was reading the Washington Post recently - looking at the actual newspaper pages online, instead of just reading it article by article. And I came across a newspaper tv guide - I hadn't looked at one in the paper in a long time. Back in the day, that was how you looked at everything. And you know the paper TV guide where, at glance, you can see every channel and ~6 hours of programming at once is a breath of fresh air from the past. nice if you could glance at something like that and touch to record or get info.
     
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  14. Jan 27, 2020 #354 of 1763
    NashGuy

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    No, that hypothetical bundle I imagined wouldn't really offer a discount at $35/mo, which is why that price is potentially plausible. (The days of streaming cable TV packages that are discounted so deeply that they barely break even or lose money are inevitably coming to an end.) I still believe that, starting later this year, AT&T won't sell any channel packages that don't include HBO Max. Which is another reason that Watch TV has to die. Why sell that $15 service as a competitor to their $15 HBO Max, given that AT&T enjoys only partial ownership economics on the former but total on the latter?

    Yes, I certainly agree. The one exception would be YTTV. Google doesn't really have their own DTC service other than YouTube (for which you can buy an add-free Premium version). But I don't see YTTV being a transitional vehicle between traditional cable TV and YouTube the way that I can see AT&T TV playing that role between traditional cable and HBO Max. (Hulu plays a similar role.)

    It makes me wonder what Google's long-term strategic goals are for YTTV. Knowing Google, they probably don't really have one but rather just started YTTV as an experiment, because they had the necessary tech and ad infrastructures, so the barriers to entry were low for them.

    At any rate, it seems like YTTV is really starting to take off. I've noticed a growing consensus lately among cord-cutters posting on various websites, as well as professional tech reviewers in the media, that YTTV is the overall best streaming cable TV service for most people. It seems like it's on the verge of going mainstream. But if it's really going to establish itself among the nation's largest MVPDs, Google will need to strike up a lot more distribution agreements with broadband providers as they've recently done with Verizon, Cincinnati Bell and one or two others. And those providers will need to offer an Android TV device with a UI that's slightly customized toward YTTV, with a remote that features channel and volume up/down buttons (along with all the other buttons you typically see on a streaming remote). Give them away for free to new customers who sign up for both broadband and YTTV and/or new YTTV customers who commit to stick with the service for a few months. Because while there's a growing number of cable TV subs who are adventurous enough to find and try out a service like YTTV on their own, lots of consumers would need to be shepherded toward it with hardware their MSO provides them.
     
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    trip1eX

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    Why? different strokes for different folks.

    The 2 are not analogous products. ATT Watch competes with something like Philo. If ATT drops it, there will still be Philo. So keeping ATTWatch would keep that customer with ATT and make it easier to upsell that customer on other ATT services.

    Not that I know if ATT WAtch is successful for them. I have no idea.

    But I don't think they drop it just because they have HBO Max. I think they will let the customer make the decision.



    Exactly. YTTV makes perfect sense for Google's core competencies.

    And it does seem like a handful of people on this forum have switched to YTTV recently. And a handful of others are considering it.

    For me it was like I woke up one day and found YTTV had reached a point where it was the better option than cable+Tivo.
     
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  16. Jan 27, 2020 #356 of 1763
    saeba

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    When I first moved off of Comcast for cable (April 2019), the thought occurred to me that I should look into streaming options to replace their TV service. But my wife dearly loves TiVo and I was enjoying TiVo's new auto-skip capability so I put that aside as a "someday project".

    Then TiVo brought out their pre-roll and Grid ads and when TiVo refused to listen to the outcry of negative feedback from their users, I realized that TiVo's path forward and my needs differed. And I was pleasantly surprised to find that YTTV provided a very reasonable replacement solution at a better price.

    Wife still misses TiVo, but likes the cash saved with YTTV. Perhaps the TiVo 4K streamer can someday provide the best of both worlds.
     
  17. Jan 27, 2020 #357 of 1763
    pdhenry

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    I'm feeling odd knowing that in the near term my two Bolt TiVos will be most useful as secondary viewers for the TiVo Premiere that's on an antenna (I have 2 Bolts and 2 Premieres, all with Lifetime). But I haven't switched TV inputs to the Bolts in two weeks, so...
     
  18. Jan 27, 2020 #358 of 1763
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    No, I'd say that Watch TV and HBO Max are similar in that both are $15 services that offer a variety of non-sports/non-news/non-local content. Except that Watch TV is a vestige of the old channel-based TV system (where AT&T owns a fraction of the channels included) and HBO Max is part of the new wave of direct-to-consumer on-demand services, totally owned by AT&T.

    Based on everything that AT&T is communicating so far, HBO Max will be the cornerstone of their entertainment strategy going forward. If you only buy one video service from them, they want it to be HBO Max. Yes, they'll still sell bundles of cable channels but those will be add-ons to HBO Max (just as for Comcast, channel bundles will be add-ons to Peacock, and just as for Hulu, channel bundles are add-ons to their core Hulu on-demand service). Just as you won't be able to buy a cable channel package from Comcast that doesn't include Peacock Premium, I don't think you'll be able to buy a channel package from any of AT&T's brands (AT&T TV, DirecTV, AT&T TV Now) that doesn't include HBO Max.

    I think the vision is that the cable bundle will remain a more expensive proposition for customers willing to shell out for it while each company's own DTC service will be the widely distributed low-cost option. Meanwhile, we're increasingly seeing cable TV services edging away from big discounts to lure and retain subs. Why bother? It's a losing battle for the bundle to try to compete value-wise with Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, etc. May as well let price-sensitive cable TV subs walk away. Because they'll still need the MSO's broadband service anyhow, and that has a much higher profit margin than their cable TV service.
     
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    trip1eX

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    Well I'm sure WatchTV isn't the cornerstone of their future plans. :)

    But don't see why they would drop WatchTV unless it isn't a successful product for them. You can't make WatchTV customers subscribe to HBO Max. PResumably people who pay for Watchtv do so to get specific cable channels for a low price. They aren't doing so just because it's $15 and has content. IF that was the case, they would just get PlutoTv. IT's got content and it's free. ;)
     
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