Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by omelet1978, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Jan 8, 2020 #301 of 1763
    dlfl

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    Hmmm. Have to wonder how you structure a 10-year commitment so as to protect yourself from overpaying for obsolete performance in the last few years.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2020 #302 of 1763
    chiguy50

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    That's a good question and a valid concern.

    When the deal includes a signing bonus (and perhaps to a lesser extent in cases where there is no upfront cash payout), the first few years might typically entail a pro-rated payback or some other penalty. For the last 10-year BSA I negotiated, our signing bonus was just over $20,000 and the payback period was five years. After the initial five years the HOA could cancel with 60 days notice and keep the full bonus amount.

    I also anticipated CPE antiquation (let alone obsolescence) by stipulating the provision of all top-of-the-line devices and the ability for unit owners to upgrade without penalty whenever newer models became available.

    As I said, there are many trade-offs and complex factors--both pro and con--that have to be weighed before you can properly judge the relative desirability of entering into such a contract. For example, one of the factors that mitigates in favor of a longer term is inflation protection. A typical contract will contain a cap on the amount that the provider can increase fees per annum (typically between 3% and 5%). If you look at Comcast retail price increases over a 10-year period, the resulting difference in payments can be very substantial.
     
  3. Jan 8, 2020 #303 of 1763
    NashGuy

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    Makes you wonder what TV services from Comcast will even look like ten years from now! Perhaps they'll just automatically include Peacock with their broadband and then optionally sell you other video services too...
     
  4. Jan 9, 2020 #304 of 1763
    chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    I think that's as good a guess as any.

    But changes are advancing so rapidly there is no earthly way anyone can accurately predict the media landscape five years from now, let alone ten. The best protection IMHO is to lock in price controls while leaving yourself enough flexibility to adapt over the medium term as needed.
     
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  5. Jan 10, 2020 #305 of 1763
    tenthplanet

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    That one of the sanest ideas I've read in this forum in a long time. :) If we had a digital wall here we could have the idea framed and hung on the wall.
     
  6. Jan 10, 2020 #306 of 1763
    WVZR1

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    All the more reason that a person needs to consider tolerating what's out there 'NOW' if they've the devices to use it and can negotiate reasonable provider fees from any 'provider'!!!

    @chiguy50 has done a damn good job it seems for his HOA and 'gets it' I'd say!
     
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  7. Jan 11, 2020 #307 of 1763
    ncted

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    Well, after much hassle and hair-pulling, I've decided I am going to need to subscribe to YTTV for the long term. Even if/when our local stations return to full power, my Amazon Fire Recast has proven to be unreliable. It routinely misses a recording or two each week. That is just not going to fly with us. I'll keep it as a backup in the rare case where YTTV misses something on our locals or we lose Internet access for some period of time, but that probably will be way less often than the Recast missing a recording. If I thought Tivo was really committed to OTA in the long term, I might consider giving it another try, but alas...
     
  8. Jan 11, 2020 #308 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    hard to beat YTTV. That's where I'm at after ~2 months of using it.
     
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  9. Jan 11, 2020 #309 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    FYI: Ok looks like Walmart put GooglePlay cards on sale on BF for ~25% off. Also at least in the recent past you could use these cards to pay for YTTV.

    Looks like everyday prices are 5% off at Sams Club and then somewhere like Target is 5% off everyday with a Red card. And one can price match Sams Club at Target. So ~10% off at Target every day pricing looks like a lock. $60/yr savings ...almost enough to cover a year's worth of Disney+. lol. That's with pricing available everyday. (knock on wood. I will see if I can do this this weekend when I'm Target's neighborhood.)

    Load up on BF or another good sale and the savings would ~pay for Netflix.
     
  10. Jan 11, 2020 #310 of 1763
    ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    No specific need to go to the store, FWIW. I get my prepaid wireless refill cards at Target.com all the time. 5% discount minimum (usually more) and email/secure web delivery, so no physical cards to mess around with. I have gotten Play and iTunes this way as well. It works great.
     
  11. Jan 11, 2020 #311 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    yeah I am going to price match to sam's club or costco. maybe can do that over the phone or chat. But... that's the only reason i was going to stop in at Target.
     
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  12. Jan 11, 2020 #312 of 1763
    HerronScott

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    So you sold off any TiVo's you had before? I would think that a used Roamio OTA (with All-in service) would not be that expensive of an investment at this time.

    Scott
     
  13. Jan 12, 2020 #313 of 1763
    ncted

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    I haven't had a Tivo in years. Also, I'd really rather not go back to a setup where I have to switch interfaces all the time to use a streaming app.
     
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  14. Jan 14, 2020 #314 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    another glitch or variation on a glitch. I recorded the college football championship. I was chase watching it. And then I got to the end of the recording but the game hadn't ended.

    ON top of it when I got the end I went to some weird short recording or additional time line that extended the game some. But suddenly it seemed like the timeline shrank to ~10 minutes.

    I also recorded on ESPN2 with their sideline reporter/3 screen approach and full game was there - although I think that was scheduled to run 1/2 hr longer.

    I had a feeling that if I rebooted the app and came back the whole recording would be there. Just my experience so far that the system can be a little weird chase watching a recording that might run long over scheduled recording time.

    But I didn't reboot because I wasn't too interested in the game in the first place and by late 3rd quarter it looks liked it might be over and man the game was long!!!! Ultimately it ran over 4 hrs with no overtime or anything. halftime was extra long too. I don't watch much college football so wasn't sure if this was normal or not.

    But one thing Europeans do right with the sports over there like F1 or Soccer is ~2 hrs is your max even length. Our sports have just bloated over there. I mean baseball in the 70s, the length of a game was ~2 hrs. Now baseball games are 3 1/2 hours even longer. Sorry I digress. /tangent.

    Today though, late this morning, I check the recording because of my feeling above. And sure enough recording made ~16 hours ago was complete in its entirety. I'm guessing I could have restarted the app or something and got the whole recording last night. Or maybe I hit live tv and wasn't aware of it. Anyway, it wasn't elegant in the way it handled that.
     
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    trip1eX

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    osu1991

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    Returned my cable card and tuning adapter to Cox this afternoon. 17 yrs with Dish, then 5 yrs with Cox/Tivo to now just OTA with Tivo and/or Plex. Will use Philo and YouTubeTV when the mood hits me to supplement the OTA and Prime.
     
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  18. Jan 22, 2020 #318 of 1763
    Dave in Phoenix

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    I had never heard of YTTV until read about it here! My Bolt had a failed hard drive after 7 months and is being replaced for free by TIVO but won't get for about a week. Need something now since a news junkie and lots of mostly OTA programs. However, I can not get OTA since blocked by a mountain from TV towers.

    I kind of like YTTV except it saves all episodes to your Library and you can not delete what already watched so hard to keep track of what you have seen or not. But I am only 1 day of trying it. Otherwise, it gets most of what I record on TIVO/Cable. I have no interest in sports so did not get those extras just the basic about $50month.

    None of the promotional coupons I found worked for their 15 or 30 day free trial, so only have for 5 days free.

    I probably will keep it along with cable/Tivo since I need protection to not lose some saved programs if Tivo fails again. I much prefer the Tivo Interface, but not the frequent hard drive failures losing all I have saved or not had time to watch yet. YTTV being in the cloud solves that - but only for 9 months. Just wish could off load like I can with TIVO for non-protected content via IP address. Even more, I wish I could off load copy-protected stuff but the ways to do it seem far more technical for me. A recorder that records from a PC screen would work with YTTV.

    I often want to keep some stuff forever. i.e. non protected America's Got Talent I off load and edit down maybe the best 15 minutes out of two hours really great performances. There is other historical stuff I like to edit down and keep. I use Video Redo to edit TIVO files.
     
  19. Jan 23, 2020 #319 of 1763
    moyekj

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    That sounds like a major issue. So there's no indication of what you have watched, or partially watched already?
     
  20. Jan 23, 2020 #320 of 1763
    pl1

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    Yes, it shows what you have watched, it is just a different paradigm. There is a folder under "Library" called "New In Your Library". Those would be equivalent to "Now Playing" on the TiVo with a "New" tag. But, instead of every show you have scheduled, it is only the recent "New" recordings.

    When you select something in your "New In Your Library", there is a Red Line which shows the time/place you left off, or if you have watched the whole show it says "Watched". There is also an indicator for the show's length stated in hours and minutes.

    If you go to "Shows", there you will see EVERY show you have scheduled and YTTV fills in any episodes in the series which have not recorded with VOD if it is available.

    It's just a different way of doing things.
     
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