Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?

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  1. Jan 4, 2020 #281 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    yeah the HOme tab is crammed full of stuff. I am only now seeing there is so much there. I tried the new guide on pc. It was a pain in the arse to scroll through the timeline. part of the problem seemed to be it isn't stored locally. and every 2 hrs needed to be uploaded. and it only skipped 2 hrs at a time.

    You should be able to zip through the hours and days of the guide pretty quickly. Ironic thing is you can do this pretty quickly per channel in the HOme tab at the bottom under each circular Channel icon.
     
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    NashGuy

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    In the Google app on your phone, go to Settings, then Notifications. There are lots of different types of notifications you can turn on or off, among them "Game reminders" and "Sports scores". As far as which sports and teams you will get notifications for, I think Google just figures that out based on your Google searches. But once it learns that you follow a team (or musical artist or TV show or topic, etc.), then it should show up under the Interests menu in the Google app.
     
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    pl1

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    Sounds good, thanks.
     
  4. Jan 5, 2020 #284 of 1763
    trip1eX

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    The overtime NFL playoff game yesterday was recorded in its entirety with no problem.
     
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    After using YTTV for about 6 weeks, I'm very impressed with the ease of use. Setting up recordings is much simpler and quicker to do. Watching on various devices (PC, tablet, phone) is easier as well and I find myself doing this more than I ever did with TiVo. One big feature I like is this one:
    • Up to six family members can have their own profile and library of recordings
    I'd asked TiVo repeatedly for this feature, but it never made it on their development list. My wife records all kinds of programs and with TiVo, the only way to keep her content separate from my stuff was to purchase a second TiVo for her use. I would have preferred to have one shared TiVo with profiles to separate content and then utilize TiVo Mini's for our secondary TVs, but this wasn't really workable. So, two TiVo's along with the costs associated (cable cards, TiVo service) and the work maintaining the devices over the years (replacing disks or TiVos upon failure). YTTV allows me to login with my account and see only my content and the same for her. We can each also switch accounts to watch the other's content if necessary.

    Also, she rarely deletes content so that would make sharing a TiVo challenging; however, with unlimited storage on YTTV this isn't an issue. Additionally, YTTV automatically purges content older than nine months taking care of the clean-up for her. Would like to be able to download and save content, but there isn't a simple option for this (other than screen recording it on a PC).

    As to losing automatic ad skip, pros and cons. YTTV's manual skip through ads is pretty simple and it does provide the opportunity to scan the ads and watch any of interest.

    Just paid off our final Comcast bill. Happy to see the end of cable bills!
     
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    dave13077

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    If you are no longer using Comcast who is your internet provider?
     
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    saeba

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    Our condo has an in-building solution (100/100mbps with no data cap) from a local provider (Net2Atlanta). Cost is about $6 per month.
     
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    WVZR1

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    An agreement similar to that for Internet certainly makes a decision much easier. A user with no such agreement and a Tivo with PLS certainly requires much more thought!
     
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    saeba

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    Absolutely! There is no "one fits all" solution. I'd posted details of how I made my choice earlier in this thread via this post - Anyone tried Youtube Tv and can compare it to Tivo?
     
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    trip1eX

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    $6 a month? What planet do you live on? lol. And do I need to be friends with Elon Musk to get there.
     
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    saeba

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    I know! We have about 200 homes in the building and this is part of our HOA fees (so you pay for it regardless of using it). So that adds up. I was worried there would be network contention, but I haven't really seen any network speed drops. I've had zero streaming issues. Ping times to internet sites are in the 3ms range which is 5x better than what I had with Comcast (150/10mbps 15ms ping times).
     
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    tenthplanet

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    Your secret is safe with us..;)
     
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    chiguy50

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    I think saeba is getting a great deal on HSI. But, in fairness, the true cost of the service is a lot more than $6 per month as you might imagine. That is just the monthly fee to individual residents at his condominium complex for maintaining an active connection to the unit. The bulk of the costs are covered by the HOA dues assessments. He and I have exchanged PM's on the subject so I am generally aware of his setup, but we do not know how much the actual costs are. Nonetheless, his assessments are not exorbitant so I assume that the deal is an excellent one if he is indeed satisfied with the quality of the service.
     
  14. Jan 8, 2020 #294 of 1763
    saeba

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    @chiguy50's point is that our building utilizes the internet connectivity as well for office services, in-building wifi, guest suite wifi, etc. and these costs are then part of the overall HOA fees. Any condo with in-building staff and facilities would have similar costs whether they then extend the internet service out to the residents for use or not. As to "the bulk of the costs".... that's not the case. From our building financials, I see there's a line item for "Internet/Cable TV" which is $27,000/year with $18,000 being recovered from per unit HOA fees. So that means the 200+ units split an additional $9,000/year for this (~$3-4/month/unit).

    So my cost for internet service is $6.52/month and I pay an additional $3-4/month for the building admin use of internet. By us all sharing our network connection, we get a great deal.
     
  15. Jan 8, 2020 #295 of 1763
    chiguy50

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    Yes, that is truly a phenomenal deal for HSI if that is the true end cost. In comparison, a bulk-services deal for Google Fiber 100Mbps service (if you could get one) would run you at least three times as much if not more. (Of course, that would include provision of all of the supporting infrastructure as opposed to your current situation.)

    At the same time, not every HOA is configured to take advantage of this arrangement and, besides, there are other considerations to be taken into account that complicate the picture. For instance, you are left to negotiate your own individual video service as a retail customer. If your HOA were to conclude a BSA with Comcast for both CTV and HSI, the end price would almost certainly be less than the combined total you (and most of your fellow residents) are now paying for comparable services.

    In short, there is no "one size fits all" solution (as I well know, having had to grapple with 335 unit owners and a board of directors on these issues for the past 10 years).
     
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    saeba

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    The building did discuss doing a building-wide agreement with Comcast for cable TV. This was about a year or so ago and at the time, I was quite interested in order to cut costs. However, after moving to YouTube TV, I'm quite happy with their costs ($49.99/month) and don't believe that we could negotiate a better deal with Comcast - I was paying Comcast $104/mo for their Xfinity HD Preferred TV package (with no premium channels) with 2 cable cards (for TiVos).
     
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    chiguy50

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    In fact, the deals are there for the asking.

    For less than the combined cost of your current arrangement (let's say around $60 total), your HOA could easily get Blast! HSI (effectively 240Mbps) combined with either the Extra or Preferred channel pack plus all or most of the customer-provided equipment (XB3/6 gateway and/or Xi3/5/6 STB). I am reasonably certain that you can even get one or more premium channels added in as well. There are trade-offs to be weighed, but as a current non-customer of Comcast's broadband service your HOA is well-positioned to negotiate for a highly-discounted package.

    Apples-to-apples, a bundled multi-year deal with Comcast would definitely be financially advantageous for most end users. Whether you and your fellow homeowners would welcome the change is another question entirely based on their preferred content providers and willingness to commit their dues obligations to a long-term deal.
     
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    NashGuy

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    But I wonder how many of the tenants in his building aren't interested in paying for cable TV service from any provider but would rather just use Netflix, Prime Video, Disney+, HBO, OTA antenna, etc? There are a growing number of US households that fall into that category. Those folks are coming out great just paying $6.52/mo for broadband and then adding whatever additional options they want on their own.
     
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    trip1eX

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    Don't ruin the story. lol. But yeah I realized, once he said HOA, that the costs are covered in there. PLus the customer density in a building can bring its own discounts.
     
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    chiguy50

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    That is one of the trade-offs I was referring to. There is no free lunch, bubbele.;)

    As you may recall, I have been able to get Comcast to slash 60% off the lowest available discounted retail pricing in return for a 10-year bulk services commitment for our complex (in addition to other tangible inducements such as a signing bonus, infrastructure upgrades, and common-area service comps). But, particularly when there are considerable CPE costs involved, their bean-counters will insist on some guarantee of ROI.
     

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