Anyone send the HR20 back and stick with Tivo

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by trehutch, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. JJ

    JJ TiVoPlantation Owner

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    No HR20-700
    for me. No way no how, not gonna hapen in this lifetime...

    HR10-250 broke
    HR20-700 from 'protection plan'
    HR20-700 replacement
    HR20-700 replacement
    30 days later
    Hello, Dish Network!!! Its not quite TiVo, but it is already light years ahead of the unreliable DirecTV box.
     
  2. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

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    Yeah-yeah...we know your mantra, "a dying breed." :rolleyes:



    The #1 reason that we got an HR10 was for HD locals, which we get OTA. 99.9% of our recording is done on these channels, and very rarely do we record D* HD content.

    That said, their newer up-and-coming packages on MPEG4 are something that will get noticed. But please ....don't take away my UHD, HDNET or TNTHD stretch! :p
     
  3. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Those who think the MPEG2 HD shutoff is far away (and not in 12 to 18 months) because of the time it takes to swap out boxes, how about looking at the short turnaround Comcast did with analog cable in Chicago?

    It can be done quickly (and without installers) if it is plug this box in where your old one was....
     
  4. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    But it's not. Most MPEG4 swaps require an installer since most of them require a new 5 headed monster to be hung off the roof. As of the end of last year MPEG4 swaps were costing DTV $450 on average. I imagine that number has come down, but it's still an expensive undertaking.
     
  5. Redux

    Redux No intent to annoy

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    You are in the realm of reality, at least. _Some_ DirecTV [whatever you want to call them, fans?] have talked, here and on the "other" forum, in terms of September 2007, end of year 2007. I believe these are panic-inducing, unrealistic statements.

    I have no idea if we're talking 18 months, two years, or several years.

    But there is simply no need to panic-bail-out of Tivo service and switch to DirecTV's non-Tivo product if the HR10-250 is currently meeting your needs, or not to consider Tivo service and the HR10-250 if it can meet your current needs.

    There will come a time, someday, when DirecTV will announce a timeline, with plenty of advance notice, and people can look at the marketplace THEN and the other solutions available THEN that will be more developed and will not involve DirecTV.

    It is to DirecTV's advantage (or advantage as perceived by some subset of the current ownership/management of DirecTV, hopefully obsolete) to encourage a switch away from Tivo RIGHT NOW, with a locked-in service commitment so that you are preempted from making more informed decisions in the future.
     
  6. gio1269

    gio1269 "HR20 Army"

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    You have this thing with the commitment. Last year (May) in getting the HR10 as the HR20 was being developed I was "locked-in service commitment so that you are preempted from making more informed decisions in the future."

    I was either going to get a HR10 or wait for a unit that was supposed to come out but I or at that time D* could not give me a lot of details on it. So people who bought/leased a HR10 say 12-18 months ago wee in the same situation.

    You make it seem like it's only the evil HR20 that locks you in. How many people yu think have a D* protection plan? THey get new HR20 for free. You think people who have been with D* for 10+ yrs and have no contracts, have NST/SF, Top packages are paying more not getting these without commitments? There are plenty of people who have. OK, there upfront cost might be slightly more, but it's possible.

    Yes, do I like being locked in for 2 yrs? No, but I am not leaving D*. Sane with Cell Phones. You want a new fancy phone for free or cheap? Sign for 2 yrs. I don't care because I am not leaving my carrier. So I sign one, every year I upgrade for basically free and sign a new 2 yr agreement.

    Only cable keeps you free. I wonder when Cable Co. come out with their own new DVR, they won't be doing the same.

    So it's not the HR20 fault! :mad:

    Would I have liked a M4 Tivo? Sure, but if you open your eyes, the HR20 is a very nice machine. Unless you want/need the Thumbs thing and a whishlist.....
     
  7. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    Well, let's clear that up. The *only* people making statements like that are people saying a CSR or installer told them that. And we all jump in and say that it's wrong. CSR's don't know what their talking about, we all know that. So in other words, your "DirecTV fans" are saying this is wrong and it's going to be longer then just this fall or end of 07. Get your fact straight there. ;)

    Of course there isn't a need to bail out now. Have no idea who is saying otherwise. Still 2 months away until the new HD channels are even available and we are probably 6 months away from some announcement about the swapout timeline. All talk about a swapout and timeline is all speculation at this point.

    And of course everyone should look at all their options. I do this every year for myself. I've advocated this many times. You should always go with what service best meets your needs, whatever that may be. I personally could care less if you or anyone else has DirecTV, cable, Dish or whatnot.

    And who's saying to get rid of the HR10 anyway? Lots of posts on how to keep it in use even after the switch. Most people are just adding an MPEG4 receiver to their current receiver farm and at most retiring an SD DirecTivo. HR10's will live on for many years with some use for some people.

    Again, not sure where you are getting this. I don't see anybody pushing anyone into getting away from Tivo. Besides the fact that you don't have to give up your Tivo to add an MPEG4 receiver.

    All I see is a discussion, which some are taking too personally like it's against Tivo, about the very real conversion to MPEG4, what the timelines might be and what the impact is. Again, I see nobody *pushing* people to get something now. The channels aren't even up yet. Until they are there is no reason to get an HR20 unless you plan to stay with DirecTV no matter what and want to beat the rush (or you can get MPEG4 locals). That's all. No huge conspiracy here.

    You, RS4 and others need to tone your sensitivity level down just a bit. :D
     
  8. RS4

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    "It is to DirecTV's advantage (or advantage as perceived by some subset of the current ownership/management of DirecTV, hopefully obsolete) to encourage a switch away from Tivo RIGHT NOW, with a locked-in service commitment so that you are preempted from making more informed decisions in the future."

    Of course you're totally right, Redux. D* has a lot riding on the new mpeg4 channels. Their reputation has gone down in the last few months (JD Power survey) and the only thing going for them is to try to gain momentum with the hoopla of the new channels.

    They are therefore going to want as many HD TIVO users as possible to have an mpeg4 in the house ASAP before they lose the momentum. I actually agree with Scott (for once) that it will probably be the end of the year when D* decides what their timeline will be for getting rid of mpeg2 hd. I think that those of us who haven't gotten mpeg4 by that time will see no rush, so D* should have a pretty good idea of how many of us are still just mpeg 2 hd and how much it will cost them to switch us.

    Again, being the Tivo lover that I am, I'm hoping enough of us hold out to encourage D* & Tivo to come out with an mpeg4 box that will be fully functional.

    Other folks can say that will never happen and perhaps they are right, but I say it's worth the try. I've also learned to never say never and never say always. So that's my sage advice. :)
     
  9. drew2k

    drew2k Drew != Drawn

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    It's to the advantage of ANY company, TiVo included, to lock customers in to a commitment. Locking customers in, however, does not preempt customers from making informed decisions in the future. It may, however, limit the actions available to the customer. ;)

    Well, the good news is that there's a fully functional MPEG4 DVR available right now from DIRECTV, and you're hearing this straight from a TiVo lover like you! :)

    I personally think this is the best attitude one can take with regards to changing technologies and brand-loyalty. Nothing stays the same forever, and if you limit yourself to one brand, or hold that one brand up as the standard by which all other options will be measured, you are guaranteed to be disappointed.
     
  10. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

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    You're missing the point. It's not so much the "getting locked into 2 more years" with the HR20, it was the fact that I got locked in while being a beta tester for it.

    If you're gonna make me abide by a contract, then you best be giving me a DVR that can consistantly and reliably record programming.
     
  11. RS4

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    "I personally think this is the best attitude one can take with regards to changing technologies and brand-loyalty. Nothing stays the same forever, and if you limit yourself to one brand, or hold that one brand up as the standard by which all other options will be measured, you are guaranteed to be disappointed."

    Drew, you missed my point. I won't re-hash about all of the issues of the D* replacement for the HR10-250, but suffice it to say that many of us Tivo owners would prefer a Tivo mepg4 unit. So, I'm saying that I hope enough others feel the same way too and they holdout like me in the hopes of persuading D* that having a choice is very important to us. In this case, standing frim shows D* that we don't care for their existing product and want a Tivo - branded product.

    I believe many times that talking with the wallet is sometimes the only way to get the attention of a vendor. If enough of us hold up by not getting the replacement, DirecTV may see the $$$ they are losing and decide how much it will cost them to offer an alternative.

    My motto is - hold firm and see what happens.
     
  12. drew2k

    drew2k Drew != Drawn

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    You're right .. I did. :eek:

    However, I still think what I posted (and you bolded, above) is valid. ;)
     
  13. gio1269

    gio1269 "HR20 Army"

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    That point I understand. That is the excat point I used that WAS going to get me out of my contract. I hollered and scram for 3 hrs with several supervisors. When my HR10 had issue, after issue, after issue.
    They offerd my a chance to get out of the contract and return the HR10 or get basically $350 in credits.

    I said I signed on for 2 yrs for the right to buy a WORKING DVR, not D* service. Well I am happy with my HR20 as many others are and the same with the HR10. I loved my HR10 and wish it worked and was M4 capable. But I now prefer the HR20.

    This quote "beat testing" has happened with phones as well.
     

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