Anyone send the HR20 back and stick with Tivo

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by trehutch, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. TonyD79

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    It is on spotbeams. That they will probably continue to use for LiL. They are going for 1500 HD locals by next year. And they are already MPEG4, so even freeing them up would not free as much space as MPEG2's do.
     
  2. bidger

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    Suit yourself, but for me, when one price covers all DVRs on my account and I only have to pay ~ $5/mo. extra receiver mirroring fee to add another, I see no reason not to use both HR20 and HR10. When the MPEG 2 HD feed is shut down, I'll reassess as to whether it's worth keeping the HR10 for ATSC and SD, but for right now, I'm fine with my setup.
     
  3. TonyD79

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    That's funny. Do all the light switches and TVs and radios and cars in your household have to be the same, too?
     
  4. kennedy

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    I attempted to make the jump from HR10-250 to HR20-700 towards the end of last year. I had very high expectations, but alas took it back to BB after only four days use due to it's bugginess. It was very disappointing. I switched to cable/S3 and have been very happy. Since that time I have followed the progress of the HR20 over @ dbstalk. Noticing that complaints had started to subside, I bit my tongue and actually recommended that my mother upgrade her HR10-250 to the HR20. That was about a month ago (she got an HR20-100S). Her unit has actually performed pretty good for her (has had to reboot it once). I've played with it a bit and it seems MUCH more user friendly than it was when I was at the wheel last year. I like the newer white GUI. I think D* has made some real strides over the course of this year with the HR20.

    I have always loved D* (10 yr Sub.). It was a sad day when I had to leave them over the buggy DVR they introduced to market too early. I'm happy that they have appeared to have righted the ship. Too little too late for me though.
     
  5. HiDefGator

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    As a matter of fact the light switches are all white decora style along with all the outlets. When they build new houses they tend to make them all match like that.
    I'm not sure why anyone would go to home depot and buy a new switch\outlet that doesn't match their existing ones.

    Currently there are matching DTivo remotes and DVR user interfaces on all my TV's.

    I understand her attitude. We have 4 dvr's in the house. All four of them are set to record all the same things because we don't know which TV we will be watching at the time. I can perfectly understand not wanting to deal with two different remotes, two different UI's, and two different sets of available channels to record. Especially when I can make them all the same DVR just by asking. And there's nothing the HR10 does that the HR20 doesn't that we use today.
     
  6. bonscott87

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    They are on the Spaceways which are already at the new slots of 99 and 103. They have nothing to do with the "core" at 101/110/119 which all the SD and MPEG2 HD are on.
     
  7. RS4

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    "They will shutdown the MPEG2 HD feeds as soon as they possibly can. This time next year they will probably be gone. "

    Is this FUD or what? We've seen all kinds of comments about Direct shutting down this stuff from the end of this year and beyond.

    I'm sure there are all kinds of factors that go into this decision - including how many HR10-250 only customers they have and how much it will cost them to switch these folks.

    The HR10-250 has no announced end date on when it will no longer be able to get HD mpeg2, so give it a break for pitty sakes.
     
  8. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    No, you need to give it break. It's just my opinion. But all signs point to end of 2008 at the latest. Good evidence suggests middle of next year. Either way those effected need to be aware it's happening and it's happening soon and they need to prepare one way or another.

    And that is all I will say on the subject. Those who want more opinions, information and facts without getting attacked can go to:
    www.avsforum.com
    www.dbstalk.com
    www.satelliteguys.us
     
  9. iaflyer

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    Good point - in addition to HR10-250 owners, wasn't there an MPEG-2 HD receiver (without DVR) out for a long time before the HR10? Remember they have to switch ALL these people before shutting down the MPEG-2 HD. Otherwise they are going to get phone calls from ALL the people who no longer are have HD. Talk about a PR nightmare.

    I'm not too worried about MPEG-2 HD channels disappearing too soon. I'm sure DirecTV will give send us a letter and give everyone plenty of time to get new hardware.
     
  10. iaflyer

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    And the average consumer it going to find out that they are losing MPEG-2 HD how...? by coming to this site and reading many many posts? I think not... this is an enthusiast website.

    Most people don't care how they get their TV... if you ask, I bet many DirecTV (and Dish for that matter) customers think that when you switch channels with the remote, the receiver sends a signal to the satellite, which then beams the correct channel to their TV... :rolleyes:
     
  11. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    And what has that got to do with this discussion (which is of timing)? Certainly DirecTV will send out letters or make phone calls once the time comes for those that haven't already upgraded on their own. I think that is pretty obvious.

    Anyway...
     
  12. iaflyer

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    Yes, I agree that they will, but you said "Good evidence suggests middle of next year" for shutting down MPEG-2. Middle of next year is about a year away - if DirecTV plans on junking an untold number of MPEG-2 HD receivers, they might want to telling people about it and give everyone some lead time. It will take time to make enough of the replacement receivers, tell everyone, get everyone scheduled for an install, and install it. Not going to happen overnight.

    I don't think those who haven't upgraded on their own is going to be an insignificant number. Many of us who come to this site want the latest and greatest, so they are upgrading now. Those who don't want that will say "why change, it works for me now". My other point was that I think many DirecTV customers don't know or care whether or not their receiver is MPEG-2 or MPEG-4. They aren't going to upgrade on their own.
     
  13. Sir_winealot

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    My guess, they'll send out letters to users of MPEG2 about 2 months ahead of time. I would assume they'll also send out a message on the HR10 as well (the better choice for notifying IMO) telling customers they'll need to upgrade.

    Is there any financial disadvantage to D* leaving MPEG2 HD feeds on for a longer period of time?
     
  14. drew2k

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    You want some more FUD? In my opinion, not only are we nearing the end for MPEG2 HD, but in the not too distant future, I expect we'll see the end of MPEG2 SD. The question is ... how far in the not too distant future? I expect within the next 10 years we will hear plans to shut down MPEG2 service from DIRECTV. Why do I say this? Because Echostar has already decided to simulcast their entire MPEG2 SD lineup in MPEG4 and all new customers will only receive MPEG4 receivers. They're going to then start transitioning current MPEG2 SD customers over to the new MPEG4 SD receivers so they can shut down the MPEG2 streams entirely. Don't be surprised when DIRECTV moves in that direction. It will mean a massive effort to replace receivers, but they did it once already with MPEG1 receivers (with a much smaller customer base) and they can do it again given long term planning, early upgrade incentives, and eventual swap-outs.

    Now is that FUD? Long term prognostication? Or realism? To say that the handwriting is on the wall should not be necessary... but this effort will start with MPEG2 HD receivers, and that means both HR10s and the non-DVR HD MPEG2 receivers out there. The only question is when, and one year from now is not that much of a shock, since it would be a year after the launch of the new satellite and about 6 months after the launch of the second new satellite.
     
  15. iaflyer

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    I think at two months is too late for letters. I'd send the letters out six months ahead of time. At two months, they should be putting a message on the HR10. A month ahead I'd call the customers and tell them. At two weeks, put a crawl on the MPEG-2 HD channels every so often saying these channels are going to be shut off on xx/xx/20xx - please call DirecTV at 1-800-xxx-xxxx now to avoid losing the channels.

    Remember this is going to back up the installers something fierce. Back in January, people were reporting a month to get a HR20 installed. I don't remember if they delay wasn't enough receivers or not enough installers but there was a delay.

    I think that DirecTV has plans for the bankwidth - probably more channels. More channels means more money in their pocket. If they were nice, they could up the bandwidth on the existing channels, but my guess is that it isn't going to happen.
     
  16. drew2k

    drew2k Drew != Drawn

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    Delays were caused by not having enough installers. When I called I January I was given a mid-April appointment, and eventually got that bumped to early March. The timeframes varied by region, as well.
     
  17. bidger

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    There's been widespread adoption, but I would say it's still the case that someone with an HDTV and HD DVR isn't an average consumer. They tend to be a bit more informed and crave more HD and I think those who are with DIRECTV are aware of the impending HD channel additions.
     
  18. bonscott87

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    You are correct, they don't know or care between MPEG2 and MPEG4. But they don't need to. See, there will be 50-100 new HD channels launching in 2 short months. People will be knocking down DirecTV's doors asking how they can get these channels and the answer will be "we'll send out this new receiver to you".

    After 6 months of that including a big Christmas push there really isn't going to be all that many DirecTV HD households left that don't have at least 1 MPEG4 receiver. If there are even 20% left that haven't upgraded I'd be *really* suprised. And that's all that matters. If you believe that most current HD customers are just going to sit around and do nothing while all these new channels go up then you are really fooling yourself.

    But hey, who really knows. My guess (RS4....that means *my opinion* by the way) is DirecTV will do an analysis in Jan 08 to see where they are at. They can easily see how many HD customers they have that don't have MPEG4 equipment. And they can then plan how quickly to move forward. If 80% have already upgraded then it's pretty easy to send out letters to the remaining 20% and shut everything down in 6 months. If only 50% have converted then maybe they stretch it out a bit more, or maybe they get more aggressive to get them converted. Who knows. But I think 50+ new HD channels will get plenty converted on their own, DirecTV won't have to do a thing. And these people won't even realize they converted, they just know they got more HD.

    In any case it's just a matter of setting a date, giving people information on upgrades and going from there. I'm sure there is some planning starting now but it all hinges on lighting up all those new channels and how quickly people upgrade on their own because of it. And they certainly aren't going to sit back and delay shutting down MPEG4 because a few thousand people refuse to upgrade. Their loss.

    Even if they wait until D11 launches, you're still looking at end of next year at the latest, especially when they already announced Extra Innings HD in MPEG4 only next year and you can bet Sunday Ticket will go MPEG4 only next year as well and that will push the last few stragglers assuming they haven't already shut down MPEG2 HD.
     
  19. Mark Lopez

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    I agree, but I think it will be a lot sooner than 10 years. It will all boil down to the bean counters and their numbers. How much will it cost to swap out a few million remaining mpeg2 receivers vice continuing to operate mpeg2 equipment (i.e. uplinks, sats, support, etc)? I'm sure they can crank out some low end basic mpeg4 receivers for a total swap of the stragglers for a nominal cost. And it's the long term outlook they will be looking at anyway, so spend a few million $ to get many million $.
     
  20. gio1269

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    What's the #1 reason most folks bought a HR10? For HD channels form D*! Once these shut down it's only good for OTA and SD. So if you can't get SD, then you have a unit only for SD. Or if you can get OTA, than that and SD. BUT no new HD from D* which is the main point of the HR10.

    get it through your head. It's an old and soon near obsolete machine.
     

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