anyone else order a Caavo today?

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  1. Bigg

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    And somehow Cavvo is supposed to be easy to set up and troubleshoot? Give me a break. This is an over-complicated kludge that is a solution in search of a problem. The one application I could possibly see is ultra high-end installations where an installer configured it, but even that is a stretch, and it would need to be available in a rackmount form factor with more connectivity options. This whole thing smells like an IP move to me, either to license to other companies, or get bought up, as it might actually make some semblance of sense if it were built into a TV that also had streaming built in, and the only thing it had to control through a kludge is a cable box, but even that market is rapidly disappearing, as cable is going the way of the dodo bird, so at that point, why not just build good software into the TV and skip all the other boxes altogether? Another application might be an AVR, especially if it also had Android TV and Chromecast built in along with BT and IP, so that it's not yet another box piled on top of all the other crap. Even then, however, it's still a kludge to "read" the screen that's being input to it and try to control it that way, and if Android TV and Chromecast were integrated into an AVR, there would be little purpose to connecting anything else to it anyway, as it could just BE the TV experience.

    It's not hard to use a universal remote to get the inputs lined up properly, which is the main problem that people are trying to solve today. Further, universal remotes or Caavo's remote is never going to be as good as the OEM remote, many of which are RF

    Some devices, like some cable boxes, cannot be IP controlled. Universal remotes do use IR, but they are just replacing multiple IR or RF remotes with a single IR remote, not adding yet another box to the equation with another stop in the HDMI chain and IR blasters, which are the true sign of a complete kludge. The higher end Logitech Harmony models do have a base station and IR blasters, and they are somewhat of a kludge too. Introducing yet another device into the HDMI chain between the source devices and the AVR also makes my skin crawl, as getting two links in the chain to work is difficult enough already, now we're looking at 3 with 4K/HDR, which just sounds like a nightmare. On top of that, Caavo only has four inputs, which is not going to be enough for many more complex setups, so then where are all the other devices going to go? They're either not going to be controlled by Caavo at all, partially defeating the purpose of it, or it's going to have to control an HDMI switch connected to one of it's inputs, which is even more terrifying to get 4 links in the HDMI chain to get screwed up.
     
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  2. Myrtledog

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    So Bigg...You gonna' buy one? :rolleyes:
     
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    Strongly worded letter to follow. :)
     
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  4. Dec 5, 2018 #144 of 541
    JayMan747

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    Is there any time frame for this?
    I bought a Caavo on Black Friday, and plan to install during the Holiday break, and am very interested in this feature.
    Will it display what is currently on [LIVE] as well as TiVo-ed programs?
     
  5. Dec 5, 2018 #145 of 541
    TiVoJerry

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    I won't be comfortable stating an ETA until I'm very certain about hitting. I know that setting a timeline, no matter how vague or with as many qualifiers as I can provide, can bite me in the butt if it isn't hit for ANY reason. We definitely see a volume of requests for this functionality and are working on it as quickly as we can. Once it passes beta assessment, we will want to push it out to the general public very quickly. IF all goes well in that regard, the time in beta would not be very long.

    Currently if you run a search for a program it will display search results starting with "LiveTV", followed by "Atreaming" and then "Upcoming on Live TV". This is the same behavior for any cable/sat STB, regardless of DVR capability or not.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2018 #146 of 541
    LlamaLarry

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    I'm not in any Control Center or Caavo betas, but wouldn't mind it
     
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  7. Dec 5, 2018 #147 of 541
    Bigg

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    Yeah right lol. This is something I would avoid at all costs.
     
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    smak

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    So you're returning yours?

    Because obviously, if you didn't own one, it would be very strange to post 1,000 word diatribes about the product.

    -smak-
     
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  9. Dec 6, 2018 #149 of 541
    SidKa

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    Wanted to share that I've been testing Caavo for a couple of days now, and my initial impressions are VERY, VERY, positive. I would highly recommend anyone on the fence to give it a try.

    As context, my primary media platforms are Tivo and Nvidia Shield, and my setup also includes gaming platforms and an AVR. I was using a Harmony remote to manage everything before Caavo, and it compares very favorably so far:
    • Setup was much easier than the Harmony, with everything visual/on screen. Caavo did a great job auto-detecting almost all my equipment, save the TV (where I was presented a menu on screen to choose from). It also automatically cycles through control options (CEC, IP and then IR, I think) and I didn't have to do any button training, etc. There are a couple of times I have to navigate away (once to download an app on the Shield, and another time to pick apps on a web browser) but this felt very easy
    • Using it generally has been a MUCH more enjoyable experience than the Harmony. The on-screen display / visual overlay, combine with the multi platform voice search on the remote makes things incredibly seamless. As an example, I much prefer the Shield's Netflix app over the Tivo's and it automatically starts off the specific show I'm looking for (not just navigating to the app) on the Shield with a simple voice search - could never have done that before!
    • It's presumably controlling the Tivo through IR, but there's little to no lagginess that I observe (at least, so far). In fact, it feels slightly *faster* than the Harmony remote at controlling the Tivo. Control of my other devices seems very easy too
    There are real limitations with the Tivo management so far. Most obviously, as noted in prior postings, the Caavo is not able to retrieve the list of Tivo recordings in search results - this is a big deal for me, since I almost always watch recordings only, not live TV any more. But if it's genuinely a matter of time to program the software to benefit from the Tivo's APIs and not a hardware limitation, I'm ready to wait a little bit. There are also other, general improvements I can already think of (probably best to be shared with the Caavo team directly).
     
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  10. Dec 6, 2018 #150 of 541
    Bigg

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    I do not own one, and I have no interest in such a pointless kludge. I am going to try a Logitech Harmony 650 that I got on clearance at Wal-Mart for $20 for input alignments, and AVR and UHD-BD control, but I'll probably keep the Roku and especially TiVo OEM remotes, as they are really, really good remotes that offer an experience that cannot be replicated by universal remotes.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2018 #151 of 541
    smark

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    If you notice, he doesn't venture out of this forum so my assumption is that he's just around to troll.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2018 #152 of 541
    Bigg

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    WRONG. You obviously didn't bother to look at my post history.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2018 #153 of 541
    Mikeguy

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    IMHO, that's unfair. Posting considered opinions ≠ trolling, automatically.
     
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  14. Dec 6, 2018 #154 of 541
    smak

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    I could review the new Spider-Man movie, and I could call it my considered opinion, but it would be strange to do so, and post about it 5 times, because I haven't seen it.

    -smak-
     
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  15. Dec 6, 2018 #155 of 541
    PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    I'm kicking myself for not getting in on the sale. The more I hear about this the more I want it.
     
  16. Dec 7, 2018 #156 of 541
    David Platt

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    My impressions reflect yours. I picked one up on the Black Friday sale, and am so far impressed. I think it has so much potential.

    There are certainly improvements I'd like to see, like real episode tracking to automatically take me to the next episode of what I want to watch (something like Plex's 'On Deck' feature). And the remote itself DESPERATELY needs a backlight. But my impressions are overall positive.
     
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  17. Dec 7, 2018 #157 of 541
    tenthplanet

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    I could see them having an expander to add more HDMI ports in the future. Having a lot of these in people's hands will pave the way for future improvement, having the price being lower than the original Caavo is a good thing.
     
  18. Dec 7, 2018 #158 of 541
    PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    It's back to $69.99 on Caavo's site.

    So tempted.
     
  19. Dec 7, 2018 #159 of 541
    Mikeguy

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    You know you want it. And all the cool cats have it. And it's the holidays. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Dec 7, 2018 #160 of 541
    toricred

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    I'm tempted by it, but my TV is running Roku and I don't know whether or not Caavo would control the Roku aspects of the TV.
     

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