anyone else order a Caavo today?

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  1. Qnapfan

    Qnapfan Active Member

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    Hahaha ... I find it funny that the present problem seems to distill down to direct interface issues (remote) ... <scratches head> ... I guess I've always puzzled over this to some extent, but the same question remains for me ... why doesn't the device manufacturer account for the spectrum of user desire to some reasonable degree? Now I realize there is a practical limit to how far and to what degree the manufacturer caters to the user base ... but I think there is a surplus of red tape in regards to the glacial rate of effective consensus based change (as an option). The key here is the integration of a seemless evolutionary add on option for the consumer to choose from (or at the very least) a more neutral stance by the manufacturer for qualified variations.
     
  2. JayMan747

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    Do you have the monthly $2 charge? - Does it cover both, or is it $4?
     
  3. tivoknucklehead

    tivoknucklehead Well-Known Member

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    I agree, I have always hated the apple tv remote. The tivo remote is > *, but the Roku and fire tv remotes are solid too
     
  4. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    I just got my monthly Caavo charge. I don't think I need the service. I basically just use it as an HDMI switcher and for the remote. I never had much luck using the service. If I searched for a show it would take over a minute to switch devices and load the show.
     
  5. Qnapfan

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    That seems to be the general consensus at this point ... really good hardware solution to link devices, but the pay service is of questionable value. I've come across a number of in depth reviews (notably Lon.tv on youtube <I'm not that guy haha>) that come to the same conclusion ... barring an effective globalization and unifying of a monolithic database, the one from CAAVO remains segmented and partially blind to the totality of your multimedia index.

    That said, for what the hardware does (enhanced device and app indexing/switching) ... I think the box itself is potentially a winner sans paid service too. IIRC a purchaser can opt out of the paid service after the initial 45 day trial ... is this accurate?
     
  6. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    Yes. Since I signed up for monthly service bills I can opt out at any time. It's only $1.99 so I'll hang onto it for another month.
     
  7. TiVotion

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    Ok so I know I can have more than one Caavo in my house and on my account. I have one in the living room and I want one for the bedroom. But...

    When it comes to the Amazon Alexa skill, is there any way to be able to control both by voice? Or just one? If I say “Alexa ask Caavo to turn on”, is it going to turn on the TV in both rooms? In the Caavo skill for Alexa, I currently don’t see a way to choose between Caavo devices (although I do only have one right now).

    I also have a Harmony Hub in the living room so worst case I can use that to turn on the living room by voice...if there’s a way to separate the Caavo.
     
  8. Qnapfan

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    Hi TiVoJerry,

    Fellow Tivo and potentially a CAAVO user as well ... now I've read through this thread and found it both illuminating and encouraging ... and have 1 niggling concern (I can live with it being a 'brilliant' switching device). The remote. IMHO, for the 'universal' role in which it has been tasked ... its sleek and simple layout, becomes problematic in terms of being able to reproduce/replace the range of remotes possible with a 4 unit switch array. Case in point, the Tivo remote in particular,it has more and (arguably) better placed buttons for useful functionality. The CAAVO unit on the other hand is clean and sleek no doubt, but it suffers from what I call the Shield effect (or Apple if you prefer) ... the remote is actually too simplistic in layout ... which then requires an often awkward and less intuitive variation of 'long' or 'short' push of the button, or possibly a combination/series of button+menu activations. The question now becomes ... can this issue be addressed? I'd say a qualified yes ... by way of introducing a followup 'evolved' remote that builds upon the existing CAAVO system for optional adoption (or not) based upon usage preference ... in short, make a version of the CAAVO remote more Tivo (or Harmony Universal) with (more and better placed buttons - with a reasonable hedge of a few user definable ones as well for future growth). Now a word on the Shield Remote ... now as dreadful as I find this remote, I am presently guessing that I would like it marginally better than the CAAVO remote (despite the CAAVO having more buttons) ... because, at the very least, the Shield Remote was designed up to be used with ONE device (and one general command set/operating system) ... Now the CAAVO on the other hand, has to juggle the spectrum of the Tivo all the way to something like the Apple remote (not to mention the basic TV remote as well)

    ... I know, this is probably TLDR, to which I will simple say this - Make a more universal remote for the CAAVO and I honestly think you improve the product by something like 50% (the other half problem being the segmented database problem).
     
  9. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    If you touch the CH UP/DN buttons the onscreen hint will show you that Thumbs Up and Down are LONG PRESS functions of those buttons. You can use the CH UP button to perform commercial skip instead of "D".
    You can also press the KEYPAD button and map the Thumbs Up/Down functions to Slow, Zoom, Clear, Last, or any of the letters. I have Thumbs Down mapped as CLEAR since I use that function much more often.
     
  10. Qnapfan

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    I would say that this approach seems reasonable ... for the motivated and or focused. I submit that the demographic in question ... - the casual user, the unmotivated will find the multi-multi-function approach less than appealing... now hover/discover buttons, that's not a bad idea ... but even that comes at a cost of illuminated buttons (so not exactly a total positive) ... Now what I would really hate to see is a review assessment that follows the path of the Shield TV - which is to say... controversial at best. Some love the ergonomics, others hate it ... as opposed to a more balanced ... most like it with some on the ends that either adore it or hate it in spades.

    Now to clarify, when i say 'unmotivated' ... I don't mean lazy or stupid ... I refer to those who just prefer a simpler and more direct method that is fundamentally intuitive. Button push variations and menu mapping ... for the general public ... tend not to be.
     
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  11. djones18

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    Anyone using this device with latest version of the TiVo Mini? I expect it would operate the same as when hooking up to a TiVo Bolt but want to know before I purchase a Caavo.
     
  12. Qnapfan

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    ... should be getting my CAAVO today. Best guess arrangement - Shield TV Pro or Roku Ultra, Tivo Bolt+, Blu Ray (placeholder, watching less and less actual physical disks).

    My main assessment will be how the CAAVO handles the remote translation for everyday usage (with a minimum of 'exotic' button press techniques).
     
  13. Qnapfan

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    Got the CAAVO ... and in total took maybe an hour and half total setup (fugly but working). In general (sans any attempt at voice function or 'unifying database' ... I'm happy with the performance. The IR extenders for the Bolt+ (default setup) are a bit cumbersome and large, but not a deal breaker. Button layout, not too bad ... but zoinkees ... the lack of numeral keys is a royal pain in the posterior. CAAVO supplies with a multifunction button (yes 1 button for something like 10) ... press it and you get an on screen 'virtual' button array 0-9 with the ability to story 'quick dial' numbers (don't know how many yet, but I KNOW I will put them it to the limit). Same base problem that the Roku and Shield have (remote with no keypad) ... upshot, to change the channel, its probably faster to scroll through the channel guide, rather than peck and poke 4 digits + enter (plus it actually takes time to transcribe the numbers) to change channels. Now, I've not tried any permutation of 'voice commands' ... but I don't use that functionality anyway (I don't want my house to THAT automated yet).

    15 second upshot? Good hardware (a few more ports would have been nice ... like 8), way to few hard buttons (weakest part by far for the hardware) - I will say though, the on screen hover/discover buttons is not as bad as I thought, that is a neutral for me, software base smart switching - brilliant worth the price, unifying software ... not so much. Voice - don't use.

    Overall, Keep the hardware (hope to god a new 3rd party <or better in house> remote is offered) ... ditch the subscription.
     
  14. tivoknucklehead

    tivoknucklehead Well-Known Member

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    use the caavo remote to switch inputs and for controlling a roku or fire tv it works just fine . Still use your tivo peanut remote for the tivo and you will be happy like me
     
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  15. Qnapfan

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    Actually, to clarify ... its an irritation for me, but I designed the system to be used by others (including a mother who doesn't like more than one remote) For the AV den I have all the remotes and a Harmony ... but I had hoped to make a 'one stop shop' for the family... if I seem particularly perturbed in this instance, its likely due to the 'so close, and yet so far ..." feeling I get after the dissapointment with Plex on Tivo ... and now the mentioned hardware limits of CAAVO.
     
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  16. Am_I_Evil

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    Got my Caavo today...so far so good, wife isn't mad yet lol
     
  17. Qnapfan

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    gotta admit ... outside the channel change issue ... its more intuitive than the Harmony (and arguably faster to in terms of switching).
     
  18. Am_I_Evil

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    @TiVoJerry is it possible at some point, maybe through an update, to control my Vizio TV power on/off through CEC? Right now I don't see an option to change it. I have another Vizio TV in the same room so having it via IR is a little annoying.

    edit: think i may have figured something out this morning...hit the caavo button instead of the power button and the TV/receiver came on...will test more when i get home from work...

    edit again: nope, still IR...just worked in the morning yesterday because something was blocking the IR from reaching the other TV
     
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  19. Qnapfan

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    Tried out the 'speed channel' function for the CAAVO ... and it's a very welcome element considering the lack of a number pad. So useful, in fact that I wish they added more slots (it has 6 definable channel 'buttons')... Heck, with the way Spectrum (and others) bundle channels in their plans - a personally definable preference list would be an almost must have! Unfortunately the snag ... before I knew it, I used up the 6 slots! More slots please CAAVO, and the option to download an image (channel logo - ABC,CBS,NBC,Bravo etc).

    As for design ... the present channel matrix is 2 x 3 ... why not add another column as in 3 columns of say 10? So there would be a total of 30 channel slots - user definable ... where when the channel button is pushed the channel box #2 would be selected (top row middle column) ... then all the user has to do is scroll down and 1 left or 1 right click? Oh, and 'loop' the scroll of channels ... so when you reach 28, 29, 30 ... it goes back to 01, 02, 03 ... this way, no matter where you are, by going forward or back, you can't be more than 5 rows away ...
     
  20. Qnapfan

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    With continued usage ... I think I found another 'bug' .. the Tivo Skip Botton (that is automapped to the >> button on the CAAVO remote, does not work in the same fashion. When the Skip button is activated for commercial advance (Long Push) ... it only advances 30 seconds, and not the whole commercial ... with the authentic Tivo remote, one push of button 'D' zips through the entire series of commercials in one fell swoop. In one instance, I had to press the >> button (CAAVO) something like 6 times - 6 x 30 second intervals ... to clear the commercials. Clearly not ideal, nor authentic in behavior.

    As much as I admire the ingenuity built into the CAAVO remote ... I keep hitting the brick wall of the reality of a remote that has to few buttons ... trying to do too much. Simple solution really ... just add a bunch of ergonomically placed programmable buttons, this would go a long way towards an effective duplication of feature functionality ... for the widest range of diverse media devices.

    ... and lest folks think I am exaggerating the scope for this device ... I leave the following tagline and internet descriptor ...

    Caavo.com | One Remote For Everything | Remote Control by Caavo‎
     

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