anyone else order a Caavo today?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by tivoknucklehead, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. SidKa

    SidKa New Member

    Dec 21, 2017
    Yes, great idea. This could also be extended to show the place you last watched for search results. For example, searching for “The Walking Dead” could highlight season 2, episode 7 amidst all other episodes, if I just finished episode 6 the previous time
  2. TiVotion

    TiVotion Early Adoptersaurus

    Dec 6, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    Thanks for the feedback all. I ordered one. I think I'm just going to connect 4 devices to the Caavo and connect the 5th (PS4) to the TV directly. I really don't use the PS4 all that much, not at the moment anyway. So I'll at least have the main devices responsible for TV content (TiVo, Roku, Apple TV) running through Caavo, and that's what matters most to me.
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  3. NYHeel

    NYHeel Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    This thing doesn't seem too terrible when you think of it as a universal remote and compare it to a Harmony. My issue with this thing is that I don't like minimalist remotes. The remote needs more buttons. It needs a keypad and it needs specific 30 second skip and 8 second rewind buttons. I hate short and long presses. I use those two buttons all the time when watching sports. I don't want to mess around with short and long presses.

    On the other hand it looks like it can do some pretty cool things. You can just ask it to play a specific movie and it will bring it up on Vudu and play it. That's better than switching to the AppleTV (or just leaving it on the TiVo and opening the Vudu app), opening the Vudu app, going to my movies, and then finding the movie you want. The same goes for TV shows on Netflix. My one question is does this thing have separate user profiles? If not, how does it know which episode I'm up to vs. which one my kid is up to?

    If the remote wasn't so terrible I might strongly consider getting one of these at $70, once real TiVo support was added. But not with the remote this useless. 95%+ of my TV watching is on the TiVo (either DVR or one of the built in apps) and I'd rather just use the excellent TiVo remote. In my opinion, the TiVo slide (the one with RF) remote is the best remote ever created. I wish someone would make an identical remote that was universal.
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  4. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    This +1000.

    I've said for a long time, TiVo should add some further user-programmable keys to the Slide Pro remote (there's ample room at the bottom for an arced row of buttons, mirroring the A-B-C-D row above) to increase its functionality with other devices. And a VOX button should be added (perhaps with an option to program it for other purposes or to shut it off, to prevent TE4 from being inadvertently triggered on a TE3 box).
  5. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

    Jul 26, 2005
    Woodside, CA
    There is a setting (Ring Gestures) that allows you to swipe the Directional pad left or right 120 degrees to accomplish a RWD/Replay or FF/Skip based on your preference. This then sets the RWD/FF buttons to perform the other functionality.

    You can still bring up a keypad separately if you don't wish to issue a verbal channel change.
  6. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

    Mar 5, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'm taking the Caavo through some paces today. I'm noticing a definite lag between button presses and the desired action. When using the TiVo I hit the "up arrow" button to skip. It takes a good 2-3 seconds before the skip happens. Also, when I was on the TiVo I hit the Caavo microphone and told it to start Plex, which is on the Apple TV. It got suck thinking about it. If I use the mic to just switch devices, it's quicker to select the device manually.

    It's taking some getting used to the remote, but I'll get there. The device is still the best way to keep HDMI-CEC to switch inputs without me requesting it.
  7. JayMan747

    JayMan747 Member

    Nov 10, 2008
    Is it possible to reverse these?
    << short press = replay; long press = RR
    >> short press = 30 second skip; long press = FF

    I find I use replay & skip way more than RR & FF.

    I think TivoJerry answered this. Thanks!
  8. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

    Oct 30, 2003
    So can a <$50 universal remote if people are really that averse to spending 10 seconds grabbing 2 or three remotes and changing inputs to get the system up and running to the source that they want. The universal remotes can be used to actually control the TiVo, or they can just do the power on and input changing sequences and then you can use the superior OEM remote.

    If she or other people in your household are losing remotes, then they'll just lose the Caavo remote. That doesn't solve anything except introduce yet ANOTHER remote to lose. With a universal remote, you can use it as the remote (IR), or the Roku's own remote (RF).

    Caavo's remote is a piece of crap. Even Logitech Harmony remotes are better. Of course nothing will ever touch the Peanut. The Peanut is awesome since you don't need to look at it, you don't need prompts about how to use it, it's 100% user-intuitive, and you can use it entirely by touch, and very quickly as that. There's no need to re-invent the wheel when the wheel already works. Caavo is an absurdly complex device that is a solution for a problem no one ever had in the first place, or has been solved already by universal remotes.
  9. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    The thought of plugging all your stuff into a magical box and having all of it work together without you programming anything has a certain appeal. Many folks are also either averse to doing any remote programming at all, or are unaware of what universal remotes can do, or that they exist at all.

    So yes, you (Mr. Bigg) and I are perfectly content with universal remotes and would never even consider something like Caavo. But it does appeal to some segment of the market for whatever reason. And given that it was recently on sale for $59 makes it pretty competitive with a lot of universal remotes. As a JP1 guy, $59 is more than double what I've paid for any remote in my life. But your average Harmony user would consider it a bargain.

    I also have to disagree about the perfect peanut. It still has lots of tiny buttons that are exactly alike. The fact that a DVR remote has no Stop button has always been a real head scratcher to me. In my collection of about 100 universal remotes, I'd consider a lot of them much better designed than the peanut.
  10. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Really, for sight-unseen operation? Which universal remote would you recommend, in that regard?
  11. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Stop is go to live tv, always has been.
  12. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    You need to qualify that. Before the Video Window was added to menus, stop has always been selecting any action which takes you away from viewing the current show. For us that was always the TiVo button but could have been Live TV or Back (also Left for TE3). Personally I would have considered having a Stop button as a little redundant as I assume the action after Stop would be to put you back at the show menu which Back does.

    The introduction of the Video Window did change that original model though so for those that have that feature turned on a Stop button might make more sense but for those with the Video Window off all of the original actions stop/pause the show.

  13. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    Exactly. No Stop means you’re always watching something, like it or not. What if I just want a moment’s peace to browse my recordings without disabling the video window. I have to mute or pause live tv? I actually used Stop from an old TiVo remote for years until they killed it once and for all in Hydra. Netflix never gives you a moment’s peace either and it’s annoying as hell.

    As for good remote ergos, she ain’t pretty, but you can’t beat the old Atlas 1056. All the buttons are nicely grouped and different shapes. Even the colored buttons each have a unique shape - triangle, square, circle, diamond. And it’s one heck of a universal if you load the extender program. I have a backlit version in every room. I think I paid $5 a piece for them years ago.
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  14. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Personally, I don't see a big difference between stop and pause--if I want some quiet, I just pause the playing show (or eliminate the p-in-p window, if I'm at TiVo Central). I'm not even sure what would show if you press stop. But perhaps I'm missing a use somewhere.
    Thanks. Will have to locate and read through the manual. I like the TiVo peanut remote and find it great for my general use, but if I need to do something on my TV, such as set the sleep timer or go into the settings, I need to reach for that separate remote; likewise, using my Blu-ray player. I've long wished that the TiVo Slide Pro remote had more universal remote capability and think that TiVo is losing a market there.

    By the way. what is the Atlas 1056 extender program/where can it or a description be found? (You may have mentioned it long ago, but my neurons aren't firing.)
  15. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Kill me.
  16. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    Ideally NOTHING would show after Stop. Pause implies you intend to resume at some point. If I'm done watching for good, I'd prefer to press Stop then get prompted to delete. But that ship sailed a long, long time ago. I was mainly just presenting my ideal remote design compared to Tivo's design. I didn't mean to beat this dead horse again. I know all the work-arounds and know Stop will never exist on a Tivo remote. My Tivo days are numbered anyway since I switched to Recast.

    Extender: JP1 Remotes :: File Section
    Follow the Guide link on that page for more info. You must join the group to download files. You'll also need a JP1 cable and Remote Master software to load the extender and configure it. If you're shopping for one, search "atlas remote cable" or you'll end up with a bunch of model train parts in your results. If you see a model called Sunflower, it might have backlighting and learning, but it's hard to tell for sure.

    Man, do I know how to derail a thread or what?

    Let's talk about Caavo instead ...

    Looks like the $50 and $60 deals are dead. But they're still only $70 most places at the moment:
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  17. convergent

    convergent Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Raleigh, NC
    After watching a few reviews and reading the comments here, I'm thinking of getting one of these to give a try. I'm not currently using a Tivo, but may be depending on my experience with Spectrum over the next few weeks. I have used Harmony remotes for years and currently have a Harmony Elite/Hub. My devices consist of Roku, Chromecast, BluRay Player, and AT&T Uverse DVR (moving to Spectrum next week when we move).

    The Harmony works OK, but it frequently messes up because it claims to have lost its WiFi connection, even though its sitting about 10' from a Netgear Orbi. This is a frustration because when it does this you have to wait. I've had some success moving it around. My understanding from others with this problem is that it is getting hung up switching back and forth between the bands. Why they've not been able to fix this is mind boggling. No other Wifi equipment I use has this problem, and its an expensive device to have persistent problems. Fixes involve putting it on an dedicated Wifi network that only has one band, but that is kind of silly. It also gets confused if you have to use another remote, and you have to go through the help routine. And finally, configuration is a bit of a chore. From what I am reading about Caavo, it deals with all of this better, and is much less expensive. If it gets everything into the proper state the way a Harmony does, then seems like a good option. The whole unified search is just icing on the cake.
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Maybe it has something to do with your wifi network? I have two harmony remotes and two Harmony Hubs. In use with my two UHD setups. I am not having any lost wifi issues with my Harmony Hubs.

    For me the Caavo would not work. But then I also have more devices than Harmony can handle as well. Their limit is only fifteen devices. So for me, the Caavo wouldn't work with the way it's designed. But for a limited setup, it seems like it would work great for someone adverse to universal remotes.
  19. TiVotion

    TiVotion Early Adoptersaurus

    Dec 6, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    I’ve had my Caavo Control Center for a day. I’m still learning it, but my initial assessment is thumbs up.

    I have a Harmony hub. I have an Xbox. I have Amazon Echos. So I’m used to using voice commands. My fear was that with the Caavo the voice controls I’m used to would suffer. They haven’t. I can do everything via voice I could do before, and the search for content by voice is a bonus.

    Setup wasn’t complicated. In fact I’m impressed at how Caavo identified my four devices and set them up perfectly. The only thing remotely close to a stumble was when Caavo was waiting for the Apple companion app on my Apple TV. But I quickly realized what the issue was there and I resolved it. I think even a novice user wouldn’t have an issue getting everything connected. The hardest thing I had to deal with was going behind my TV to unplug the HDMI cables. The only suggestion I’d offer is to consider adding a fifth or sixth HDMI port. I know that the original 8 port model was probably too much and 4 is supposed to be the sweet spot, but like in my case, I actually have 5 devices (two game consoles is my downfall). Then again I’m sure research went into this and those cost/need factors were considered in the design, so I could be off base on that entirely.

    I tend to like dedicated remotes with lots of buttons too, but I can also appreciate that Caavo went with a streamlined remote that provides as much functionality with as few buttons as possible. Personally, I think the remote is fine for what I want to do. And again I can do a lot by voice.

    Anyway, I have to say that IMO this is a pretty good effort on Caavo’s part to make content easier to find, at an affordable price. I was impressed enough after set up to go ahead and buy lifetime service for it.
  20. swyman18

    swyman18 Active Member

    Jan 6, 2016
    Honoka'a, HI
    I just got one of these and overall I’m fairly pleased. The main gripe I have is that it doesn’t replicate the long press volume up/down for my Yamaha AVR. On the AVR remote (and on the Harmony), long pressing (or holding) the volume buttons will quickly raise/lower the volume. When you hold the volume buttons on the Caavo remote, it will send the repeated commands but just raise or lower in 0.5 dB increments somewhat slowly.

    I haven’t found a way to change any of that in the settings.

    Not the end of the world, but can be a little cumbersome if you want to quickly raise/lower the volume.

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